GOD IN A BOX EXERCISE

NAMASTE! I thoroughly enjoyed participating in this expression of spirit. The following records about 5 hours of spontaneous interchange and interaction. THANK YOU all for making this such a special evening. Hopefully it will move you to participate in further such interactions. There are links to BEYOND IMAGINATION and ABSOLUTE RESEARCH TECHNOLOGY at the end of the transcript. ENJOY!!!

RichardKula: My name on the chat room as many of you know is RichardKula... a nickname as most of you. On my website many other people realize that in fact I am Derek Lamar, Director of A.R.T. Absolute Research Technology. I will cont.

RichardKula: This is much in a way of a theatrical production. It is for entertainment and learning. It is not for someone to pretend that they are God. It is to examine the idea of God, issues, questions we have always wanted to ask... and Derek Lamar plays the role tonight in this production. Since RichardKula, Derek Lamar, and GOD in a box are all the same person... you won't be seeing much of anyone but God *s* I will cont.

RichardKula: I know as do all of you that God cannot be confined to a box, and yet we all do it. Each of us has GOD in a box, some bigger, some smaller, whatever our belief is, even non-belief, that becomes the box we put GOD in. I will cont.

RichardKula: I wish for God to be presented in as much an Absolute level as possible so there will be a need from time to time for myself to extrapolate certain concepts just as there are different levels to this adventure and as we climb Jacob's Ladder we see things differently as we cont. I will cont.

samsara: hello everybody

RichardKula: In a way this is a form of channeling but I am not implying a direct link between myself and GOD and yet we always maintain that link in Reality. I think we can start now, but before "I AM" is speaking I imagine there may need to be some questions addressed you may have before we start... so please ask and then we will give GOD the floor as well as the box. LOL

samsara: Richar Kula is something strange?

RichardKula: How do you mean samsara.

SageWoman: hi Richard, sorry I'm late,

RichardKula: /topic GOD in a box... an ever expanding belief system

samsara: Richard please tell me what is Kula

RichardKula: This is indeed an honor the SageWoman is here tonight. And though there is some curiosity, she appears mostly out of LOVE. Bless you.

lion: Namaste All!

RichardKula: Since there are no questions at this time I will introduce GOD......... in a box.

Yopo: Greetings, good souls...

RichardKula: You will be speaking to your own HIGHER SELF! That is the God in the box.

GOD in a box: I am YOU.

lion: Yes, Richard ... such is my experience too!

GOD in a box: All experiences are God... Truth..........SPIRIT.

lion: I AM THAT I AM THAT YOU ARE!

Bink: .Bink waves and smiles to Yopo, Legs, Sagewoman, and everyone.

GOD in a box: I AM LOVE and I Love You All for you are me as I am you and Love is all there is.

Yopo: Howdy, Bink...

GOD in a box: I am Bink, Lion, Channeler, Samsara Mick, Suy, SageWoman, RichardKula, Yopo, Legs, heathen, Surrender, Caelum and Derek Lamar and all there is for I AM ALL.

lion: God as SPIRIT speaks through all of us at all times. However, we are free to choose the "box" that limits this expression through us in flesh.

RichardKula: Truth... as it is often referred to is simple. But do not be confused ... the most complex the question... the answer may be simple or complex... who knows... often the human complicates things because it gives him big problems to solve.... but in REALITY all is simple.

lion: I'll play the Devil's advocate ... LOL! OK GOD, what is the purpose of life?

Bink: Bink whispers to lion, how can an image be free to do anything other than reflect? *smile*

GOD in a box: This is true for I am all expressions of myself not limited to any one aspect over another for I am infinite variety expresses Myself to Myself infinitely.

Yopo: (*eyeing the box with some suspicion*)

Bink: infinite individuality...

lion: Indeed Bink, INDEED!

GOD in a box: A reflection is the female aspect of the everflowing male/female principle I am expressing out and back to myself. I express and I am reflect for I see myself in myself just as I see myself in you and you in me and you in each other for all is ONE.

lion: ... and infinite ONENESS as well.

Bink: Mind and its idea....

GOD in a box: We are suspicious of ourselves only because each one of us must recognize that ultimately we are all alone as the one and it is a big question there before us as we are... and we question it... we must always question... this is the way of the seeker... but truth is both the question and the answer and we must not forgo one for the other.

lion: OK GOD, then why does SPIRIT always come across as feminine to me in my personal experience?

Channeler: GODinabox: You say that truth is simple. Is that not an assumption, and thus an inappropriate basis for discourse? God's truth may indeed be simple to him, but what is simple to the cowboy may not be simple to the cow.

GOD in a box: The purpose of life is to be God and express oneself to oneself infinitely.

Caelum: Richard/Derek/God...I agree with you in that we make things much harder then they need to be.

GOD in a box: This feminine aspect is a nurturing receptive aspect of the unconscious which you feel most comfortable with and the love it brings to you lion.

lion: And ... inpractical terms, how does this apply to each of us as individuals?

lion: Do you distinguish between the trio ... conscious, unconscious, and superconscious?

GOD in a box: It is only important that if we want to know about GOD Channeler that we want to know about TRUTH. And truth is as simple as 2 + 2 = 4. This mathematical principle is As Above, So Below, it is principle, it is Out and Back, it is male/female, it is God, it is simple.

Bink: IMHO, an idea cannot is not and can not become the Mind that spawns it. therefore, IMHO, the purpose of life is to learn what we are, Mind's infinite idea, and demonstrate this in our living, through expressing Mind's, Love's qualities.

Caelum: Okay Richard/Derek/God, Godinabox, or whoever...is there a difference between the reality of infinity and the infinity of reality? With reference to the box of course.

GOD in a box: In God there is only SupraConsciousness... it is aspects of the Consciousness expressing itself as Principle and human through a state of duality divide things up and though there is truth to it as truth is all there is it can become an illusion if the whole truth is not seen.

GOD in a box: You needn't be humble. It is I speaking through me as you are me. I must speak through Richard. Please bear...

lion: Bink: Do not all ideas come from the ONE MIND, the ONE consciousness? I have no experience of my mind spawning anything. It receives and observes ... but I am not aware of it ever creating of its own.

RichardKula: We as individuals are the awakening of ourselves as God. This does not mean God is changing... do not even think of God in antropomorphic terms. I will cont.

lion: Bink. Is not the purpose of life to BE what we are, rather than to "learn what we are". Though it is through increased awareness that we become whom that we truly are, a part of the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS.

Bink: lion, exactly right. notice I capitalized the word mind, as a synonym for God. I was commenting on the idea that both you and I *are* God. not IMHO. and, GIAB, IMHO, 'i' *must* be humble! :-))

Bink: lion, again, yes. we learn to be what we already are in actuality. through increased awareness of what IS.

RichardKula: As we dicovers ourselves where we are at this point in time, on the edge of a Quantum Leap, we are waking up to our Divinity. This Divinity is the I AM. Not I am a part of God... that is our limitation because we are only partly waking up just as a rose unfolds its bloom. But as we awaken... we discover this I AM which is already fully awaken and BEING as Infinite Consciousness... but always understand that it is not human, but we are divine... our humanness is an illusion. Though religion has taught us we can only be vessels for God, all Masters have discovered the "Father and I ARE ONE." This is not a spiritual mystery... but Truth for us to discover... not make it happen.

LEGS: So Richard/Derek you see God as a collective conciousness?? a conglomerate that is made up of many cells in many places many atoms in many places, many thoughts/ideas/beliefs in many places... but not as a separate entity -- a Supreme Being that is in charge of all of these places that seek emulataion of that Supreme Being???

lion: OK Bink, just wanted to make it a bit more obvious. :)

GOD in a box: God does not give birth to God except in the poetic sense. What appears as birth is a realization of the Truth which as always been there. Imagine that the Earth is the edited version of Heaven and wait til all the outtakes are release in their full extended production.

GOD in a box: ROTFL

Caelum: Nobody answered my question.

Bink: lion, to put it simply, we *awaken* to our true being.

GOD in a box: in a box.

lion: Speaking of "illusion" ... why does it exist?

GOD in a box: This is true Bink

GOD in a box: I Am not the collective unconscious and yet I am all there is. I am in a way Shrodinger's Cat yet that is misunderstand. I use that because many of you are familiar with that example. But in my Reality there is no death and the expression of myself as cat is eternal.

lion: Caelum ... your question is meaningless without definitions of both infinity and reality. These are beyond my understanding to address.

GOD in a box: Illusion does not exist . I will explain.

GOD in a box: You must understand that God cannot even speak about something which is not true which is why this is difficult. However, illusion is merely the not seeing of the whole truth. I will continue with a living but simple example.

lion: We create our own reality/illusion. As a metaphysician, I can speak of reality creation and how we experience reality ... but this is not the true REALITY, only our experience of it.

GOD in a box: Illusion is sometimes called error but in REALITY Truth is all there is. So how can we, I must peak out of this box a moment.... How can we have error? In the world of time, space and change we are subject to a lot of unusual circumstances which seem to not explain the unfoldment of divine order. But 2 + 2 = 5 is error. It is illusion... because we are not seeing the truth. Some say of course we are not seeing the truth ... we are looking at the lie... imagine we are looking at Earth, the human condition... the illusion... not just the lie.... we are not seeing the whole truth... As Above, So Below.... we must awaken.... 2 + 2 = 5 - 1 (this now becomes Truth... the illusion disappears....) We needed to see the whole picture.... Jesus said, "I did not come to destroy the law (2+2=5 being "bad") I came to fulfill it (2+2=5-1 truth revealed) because we do not see the whole picture we call it error. I see the whole picture.

Bink: I agree, illusion doesn't exist. does ZERO exist? or is darkness *something*?

lion: What happened? Posts seem to have stopped.

GOD in a box: This is true lion, but your "reality" is what you hold onto and it is what helps you keep afloat until you reach the shore of Total Realization... and truth, being all there is, continues to be a wonder along the way. *s*

GOD in a box: darkness, and zero are interesting concepts which play a role in the understanding of Truth, God, Higher mInd, et al. I will cont.

lion: I equate "zero" with "nothing" = the NO THING and the VOID ... a very deep concept in metaphysics.

GOD in a box: The negative, not as error in duality, but as an aspect of postive/negative which is principle forms the Oneness I am.I will cont.

lion: Darkness is simply a lack of light ... it immediately vanishes when light is present.

Channeler: GODinabox: A few minutes ago I asked you a question about truth. My question was: "GODinabox: You say that truth is simple. Is that not an assumption, and thus an inappropriate basis for discourse? God's truth may indeed be simple to him, but what is simple to the cowboy may not be simple to the cow." // You sidestepped my question with an answer to the effect that the only thing that is important is that we want to know about truth. Would you kindly answer the question directly? // P.S. You also state that God cannot speak about something which is not true. Is not this another assumption, and therefore another inappropriate basis for discourse?

GOD in a box: "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is." The no mountain aspect is zero and nothing it is also illusion and yet it is the death of illusion. It is also where many of you as truth seekers find yourself because it is the "Son-of-God-State" or one on the path, excuse the gender thing, I will cont.

GOD in a box: Channeler you have too many rules on your path which make it difficult for you to evolve... but I will address your question... please bear with me. I will cont.

lion: Why are assumptions "inappropriate basis for discourse"? Are not all of our sciences, mathematics, and technology based on sets of assumptions that cannot be proved?

Bink: Channeler - IMHO, Truth *is* simple. it is we who make it complex, running around every which way like hens with our heads cut off trying to find it, when it is right there in front of us all the time. ALSO, IMHO, it is no assumption that God, Truth, cannot know error. can light know darkness?

heathen: hi GOD how are you?

Channeler: lion: Because GODinabox presents them as facts rather than as assumptions.

Bink: do the laws of Mathematics know the mistakes we make in trying to apply them????

heathen: GOD, its really nice to meet you.

GOD in a box: the seeming negative, or zero, or even death, represents the letting go, which is also the bridge which expresses oneness for all is one... but when we cut it up in order that we may understand it we later question it separately and illusion seems to be the only answer... but ultimately it must be seen as the fulfillment of Truth being recognized as one. The death of illusion is the bridge and therefore not illusion at all but a nuance of discovery. Jesus said "on one may get to the Father except through me." Forget the religious nonsense. Understand different levels... the man-state, the son of god state and the god state. Man-State must let go of the illusion just as and then there is no mountain before moving on to the God State wherein we discover "And there is. But the mountain is then understood in a Divine sense but it took that zen negative aspect of nothingness which one must travel through to bridge an understanding of reality.

GOD in a box: God presenting assumptions would be ludicrous as a presentation just as it is in Reality. 2 + 2 = 4. This isn't an assumption unless one wishes to play mind games with it. And it is very simple. Hasn't Truth through the Ages always been referred to as simple... but man wishes to complicate it so man never need accept it.

Channeler: Bink: Of course it is an assumption that God cannot know error. If he is the prime educational force of all life, he clearly employs the concept of error in our everyday education. What better way to teach us than to help us stumble first?

GOD in a box: heathen, it is nice to meet you, i've known you all my life.

lion: Channeler ... but spirit speaks through me in exactly the same way. It comes through as authoritative statements. It does not pause to clarify each line with this is an assumption. If it is indeed true, you will know in your heart ... that is the place to find verification -- in your direct connection to source, to the ONE.

GOD in a box: heathen, I am fine.... I am whole, complete and perfect. Wild assumptions I make based on being God. God can do that sort of thing. However God has limitations... God is limited to God, however, I am infinite therefore I am limited to Infinity.

Bink: Oh Yeah, Channeler, like the father who told his kid to trust him and jump off the ladder into his arms, then let him fall, and said "see! now you know, never trust anybody!" - some father.

AngelFire: lion-I agree...This is how I recieve my messages..

GOD in a box: Channeler... is this an assumption or a statement of fact: "Of course it is an assumption that God cannot know error. If he is the prime educational force of all life, he clearly employs the concept of error in our everyday education. What better way to teach us than to help us stumble first?" I see no one stumble. I am perfection and all I know I AM is perfection. I do not stumble nor do the infinite variety of expressions I express out and back to myself. You may think you stumble but this is your illusion not mine. To me you are perfect because you are me and I am you and I see only God for I am all there is.

lion: AngelFire ... I know of no other way to "receive" truth. :)

AngelFire: God in a box..You are limiting yourself by saying you are God..and this is no assumption..

heathen: yea, apparently you want me and others to believe in you. is this so? and if so why?

GOD in a box: Sometimes we need more than just the heart for verification. I peek out of box again. I will cont.

heathen: to GOD ........ who else?

lion: But AngelFire ... I AM THAT I AM ... There in NOTHING except the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS, GOD. Is this not truth?

GOD in a box: Often the heart is interpreting through a filtering system which does not allow one to see the whole truth. This is why it is important for truth seekers to clear their consciousness through ongoing work, prayer, meditation so that what they receive from SPIRIT be as close as the message was originally to the point of ultimately becoming that MIND itself and listening to oneself speak the truth.

lion: When my mouth and vocal chords say "I am Wayne" do they not speak the truth, even though it does not apply to them alone?

lightdude: Greetings to all. (((embraces)))

GOD in a box: Wayne is the truth just as I am Wayne is the truth but also Wayne realizing that I AM THAT I AM and that Wayne is not his only self but that he is the One SELF.

lion: GOD has no need for anyone to "believe in GOD". The TRUTH is that we are GOD now ... we just don't realize and experience the full truth of this yet.

heathen: lightdude hi . welcome .

lightdude: lion, yes this is truth.

GOD in a box: AngelFire... just in case you haven't noticed... this is all a stage to discuss what we have questions about and this is one of an infinite variety of formats. Allow this moment and use it for your own advancement... it is how it is meant. Ultimately from the ONE as well.

lightdude: heathen, thank you. (((Light Hug)))

LEGS: Goodnite RichardKula/Derek.... some good mind awakeners in here... do not believe God can be confined under any circumstance.... *g* and hope we all will strive toward one belief... that of oneness with the Supreme Being...

heathen: lion are you answering for GOD . i need to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak.

AngelFire: lion- this is truth..I am a healer, but the healings I preform are not of my doing..They are of the ultimate light which is Gods light..I am not God nor do I profess to be..God works through me. Through my hands. I get direct messages from many and the messages remain the same. There is one God...He works through us on this earth plane but I am not God..

GOD in a box: Goodnight Legs... I am with you always.

lion: There is only ONE ... we are all "THE HORSE'S MOUTH". LOL!!!

Bink: well people, my own illusion at this moment is one of deep weariness... as much as I know it is ultimately illusion, at my present stage of understanding must live in the illusion, and head for the sack! hate to leave this fascinating discussion though!

GOD in a box: AngelFire... I do not heal in the manner that humans believe. I know that you do not heal. You certainly do not heal as me. But you are me. I will cont.

GOD in a box: This is important for all heal to understand. About healing one of your major interests. I will cont.

heathen: GOD this is a heathen asking. do you want me to believe in you?

lion: AngelFire: In believing such, you accept separation that does not exist in TRUTH. You are free to choose to believe such so long as it serves you. Just be open to the "box" you put yourself in when you do this.

JUNE: GODinabox....OK *giggle*...Richard is that you *peering closely at the little box with the big voice*

Bink: hi June, with eyelids drooping shut, I'm just leaving!

AngelFire: heathen- I will answer that..If you don't mind God in a box...God wants you to believe in him..Believe in all the things he is..Light..Love..Knowledge..He wouldn't send so many messengers out to share this if he didn't..

lion: Namaste Bink! In Peace, Love and Light.

GOD in a box: I as God am whole, complete and perfect. There is no disease. This is an illusion. The important thing for a healer to recognize is that the disease does not exist. "Get up and WALK". or Lazurus, not dead but sleeping... there is no disease... there is no death... I am perfect health. Recognize the I AM and the Perfect Health I am and you will recognized that I AM perfect health. You must know when you look at disease that it is an error, as illusion and that TRUTH of the situation which you must realize is that Perfect Health is all that exists. This realization within consciousness will allow a manifestion of perfect health. The physical condition will not change because in reality there is no physical condition, what you are changing is your consciousness. You will be realizing the GOD within the one you seek to heal and this can be called a healing but understand it is the Perfect Health of God being revealed.

Bink: heathen, my version of the answer would be "no, I don't need/want you to believe in Me, because it is only illusion that you don't! *look around you*! how can you not believe in what you see!"

JUNE: {{{{{{Bink}}}}}} Sleep well, friend. Love and Light to you.

AngelFire: lion-I take no credit..I am the vessel he works through to relieve pain..This he does to make yet another believer in his power..

GOD in a box: What AngelFire says is true about this, but God sending messengers is God expressing SELF in an infinite variety of ways.

Bink: GIAB, all absolute truth, yet hard facts for many to swallow! good night, and thanks for the exercise!

lion: Hmm ... why should GOD care what you believe? What is important is what you know ... and more than that what you are aware of yourself to be, and WHAT YOU DO to express that awareness.

GOD in a box: Good Night Bink. I am YOU.

AngelFire: God in a box..Some of this is true..People bring pain and ill health into their lives due to other things happening in their lives but often they don't realize it and until they truely understand this then I shall be there to heal and awaken them to the truth...

Caelum: achoo

lion: I AM THAT I AM THAT YOU ARE ... TRUTH, LOVE, AND POWER!!!

heathen: bink , but does GOD recommend that we believe in GOD

Bink: ****POOFARONI****

GOD in a box: You can waken no one. I can only awaken as God and only the Perfect Health I am can heal. You as the Perfection I am can do this things but you must know that you are not an empty container, Angelfire, but the embodiment of the Living God.

thirdeye: just what is truth? whatever you make for yourself. As Einstien once said... "both sides disagree because they are both wrong, because they both only see part of the truth

lion: This is the highest and latest expression of spirit through me. I am still in the process of realizing this ... making it the REAL I, that I experience. :)

AngelFire: This was very interesting thank you for a boost...Often we tend to get use to the mundane..Settle into habits..A new day tomarrow and a little different out look as I just recieved a message..Thank you

GOD in a box: God recommends that you discover yourselves and you will discover: I Am ONE with God and I am all there is. There is only one mind, if you have discovered yourself as consciousness, it is that one mind enjoying itself to whatever degree, but ultimately you are the ONE MIND that is all there is.

thirdeye: "lion....how old are you in human years?

lion: I have not known GOD to "recommend" anything.

GOD in a box: This is why you must see Oneness thirdeye. I will cont.

thirdeye: In my personal opinion..or theory...I think "God" is universal energy....everything alive.. I feel we learn our lessons through karma

lion: 39 ... in this existence anyway.

lion: thirdeye: In your concept of reality, is "univeral energy" = ALL THAT IS?

thirdeye: Churches are pointless.. because I think that the source....whatever you may call it...God, or whatever is in our hearts..not a building. Church is fake in my opinion. and is contridicting

thirdeye: not reality.....just the energy....

GOD in a box: Einstein also said "God does not play dice with the Universe." Because he understood that Absolute Order is the Perfect Truth which is all there is. What you must understand in understanding GOD is that all Attributes must Agree. Just as in AGREEMENT is an attribute of God. God is Infinite this is why Eternity is true. God is perfect and this is why disease is an illusion. Anything you wish to deal with within your consciousness you must transpose your belief systems with the Absolutes as GOD and you will start changing your consciousness and you will see it in your "world" because your world is a direct reflection of your NOW state of consciousness.

AngelFire: GIAB- Yes we are prefection of Gods creation. Over time we have lost him in the "I" though this is where people are finally waking up and saying we...We are nothing unless we accept God and his powers working through us. Emptyness and longing for the conection always searching for that something missing. It's always there God is light, God is all energy around us...

lion: Church is still "useful" to those who find value there. Personally, I stopped finding value there about 28 years ago.

RichardKula: we will bring this Godinabox to a close in 25 min. and then anyone who wishes to stay and continue is welcome. But the box will be shipped ups. But I will be here. It will be easier to change hats.

lion: AngelFire: I see this as choosing to resign the individual will to the ONE WILL.

thirdeye: I think church is a crutch....and religion is a lie...

heathen: GOD you say you recommend we discover our selfs. will we discover ourselfs if we allow an authority to tell us what reality is. the authority will only tell us what it wants us to think reality is , to accept without question, or believe.

GOD in a box: AngelFire God is energy within and without remember the attributes. You need this for your healing work. The energy is within and as it flows out it is simulataneously refilled for thou art all. You will find you are not drained but rather stimulated to everincreasing life.

AngelFire: Must go to bed now..Good night all..God be with you...

thirdeye: We can connect to the source of love energy "god" we don't need to goto church.... I think humanity made the concept of hevean and hell to control people .....brainwash them into fear...

lion: For me, this was a very challenging issue to deal with, one that landed me in a mental hospital for 10 days in Oct 93.

thirdeye: they should change the word GOD.

AngelFire: God in a box...Yes this is the ultimate when healing..As I place my hand on the person and do the healing as much as I put out I get back 10 times..I haven't been sick in over a year..

GOD in a box: For the most part what thirdeye says is true. Religion has been a form of "government" to control people. But on the Higher Level, it has served to keep safe many teachings in the east and the west until we awaken to realize what maybe the Church does not know but still we can know within.

lion: heathen: Ultimately, you must connect directly to the SOURCE within you. Everything from the outside only helps to point you toward that source inside. There are no "authorities" that I accept ... period.

GOD in a box: But church is a stepping stone on everyone's path sometime or other and it is a place to walk just as Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.

AngelFire: thirdeye..Religion isn't a joke it's who sends the message and how you percieve it..

thirdeye: If you think about it..... Some religions are against violence.....and are believers of unconditional love.... yet there has been violent wars over religion.... women were considered second class people in the bible. Times have changed. ... I guess I find Organised strict religions to be controling and limiting to ones freedom of awareness

lion: OK thirdeye ... call it"704". :)

thirdeye: Religion is corrupt in alot of aspects.... it is a war over theory. No One is to know if it is true or not. What happens when you tell a story over and over again? well it changes.....

GOD in a box: Even Jesus said to the Scribes and Pharisees: "You did not enter (the higher state of conscious we call the Kingdom of Heaven) and you prevent others from entering."

thirdeye: I think people gravitate towards religion for security.... It is like they need someone to tell them what to belive because maybe they have no spine or feel alone, needing security.

AngelFire: thirdeye..This is where as human being we have to make choices..What does your heart say? We all must do what we are told? or do we make our choices? Those which spout about peace and do the other are not truely believers they are following..I choose to be a leader..

GOD in a box: This is good AngelFire. Perfect Health for you expresses the Perfect Health of "I AM".

lion: thirdeye: It seems this is a common experience we all have as our awareness grows. We reach a point where the "box" that the church exposes to be God is no longer sufficient to address our personal experience ... so we turn elsewhere and expand the boundaries of our "box" into something that can accommodate our personal experience ... and so on ... and so on ...

thirdeye: Many children follow what their parents tell them is real or truth...... so how is one to know what is real?

AngelFire: WE are those that truely make the difference..

AngelFire: GIAB- Thank you..I must really get off to bed..Tomarrow calls..Goodnight all

thirdeye: bye everyone........ let peace be with you....

lion: AngelFire: That is only a partial truth ... at some point we go beyond the need to make choices at all. We simply allow what spirit would express through us. I rarely experience making choices anymore. The "right" course of action is always clear ... hence I truly have no choice in carrying it out. I made my choice when I chose to allow THE ONE WILL to express through me.

GOD in a box: No one needs to change the word GOD. There are already many names for GOD. Man must change his definition of God. Too many people change words rather than their awareness. You must change your consciousness. This is METANOIA. This is the role of the truth seeker on the path... not just to find the truth but to find it within and allow it to have its way with him... the Transformation. Higher Mind, Infinite Mind. SupraConsciousness, I AM, I AM THAT I AM, Alpha and Omega, JEHOVAH, YHWH, Elohim, El, the Lord, Super Consciousness, SELF... it is all the same ONE MIND which is speaking to you as YOU.

GOD in a box: it is SPIRIT.

lion: Namaste AngelFire! LOVE, Wayne.

GOD in a box: God infinitely is making choices and God infinitely Choose SELF. There is no choice but self just as one can say to themselves in a meditative state: I have no Self but Thee. My own self be true... my own self be you.

AngelFire: lion- does your spirit tell you to hurt people? To follow an angry mob because your spirit tells you they may be wrong in doing so? These are choices. Choices of what is right or wrong. Peace loving God following people do not hate or condem another for their beliefs. Humans do these things..Life is choice. Your path is made up of choices...

lion: ... Y H WHY H WHY H WHY H WHY H ... Note that YHWH repeated spell out WHY H . WHY H . WHY H ... INTERESTING!!!

heathen: lion ok you are speaking for GOD . you must be pretty important. you say we must connect directly to the source. then what on earth do we need GOD for then?

AngelFire: Hands you know me..FireDancer...:) I don't know how to private message..LOL

lion: Life is only a choice until you choose to align your will to THE WILL OF GOD ... then, ALL that you do becomes the work of SPIRIT through you.

GOD in a box: 3rd Eye. This is why you get on the path, to discover what is REAL. Only God is REAL and you must develop that within you as you become more and more awake to the I AM within you until I am all there is and you will be in what is REAL... that will be reality. But on the way as you do this life will become more and more real to you rather than false.

lion: We don't "need GOD". We need to REALIZE THAT WE ARE GOD! Do you not see the difference?

AngelFire: Yes lion but this is choice..

GOD in a box: If you are to realize God you better hope God exists.

lion: As to important ... who knows? I speak what spirit moves me to say.

heathen: lion you are allowing GOD to be an authority for something that you said you dont need an authority for.

lion: Often I am surprised by what comes through. LOL!!!

GOD in a box: But need is only true in its complete sense when one realizes supply. God is infinite supply and demand. Need is the demand. Therefore within Truth as a need arises, just as a question, there is a supply, just as an answer, for God is infinite supply and demand. Not just supply but the demand to fulfill the principle so that there is ongoing expression otherwise stagnation would be true and it is not.

lion: But GOD is ultimately WHOM THAT I TRULY AM ... there is no separate "authority".

GOD in a box: Bless you. I am you and you are me. If you remember only that You are I, you will remember all there is.

heathen: lion the word GOD is a concept it has nothing to do with reality. in fact, i feel , it is an insult to reality

AngelFire: heathen step out of reality sometime..It's heaven..

lion: AngelFire: But it is a choice that ends all exterior choice. The only choice I have left is how I interpret what I experience and the meaning that I give to this experience.

AngelFire: heathen step out of reality sometime..It's heaven..

heathen: GOD are you capitalist?

RichardKula: I am back again. Thank you for this event I think it went really well... it is good discipline to focus like this, there is no demand that anyone not retain their self and their opinions but it was an opportunity to share... in sharing is love. Thank you for letting me be a part of what is happening here and all over the earth as SPIRIT is making itself manifest more and more... just as we are realizing more and more.

lion: No, GOD is not a "concept". GOD is the only true REALITY.

heathen: yea angelfire that or its your imagination

lion: heathen: NO, I AM THAT I AM. Actually communism is more consistent with my nature. LOL!!!

lightdude: RichardKula: And thank you. Namaste.

AngelFire: lion-this true..All experiences have positive negative sides .. Depending on where your standing but hurting another regardless of what side your standing regardless as to why..is still hurting another and it is a choice..

RichardKula: For many people God is a lie. That doesn't even mean for them GOD or truth is a lie but because of religion and specifically idiots in religion have made God a joke so people feel that way. It isn't even God which they see as the problem but everytime "god" is brought up it reminds them of all that other crap.

lion: Agree Richard, thoroughly enjoyed the expression and intercourse this evening! :)

RichardKula: I think John Lennon once said on his first solo album "God is a concept by which we measure our pain."

AngelFire: Richard this is soooo true...

hummingbird: AngelFire//GO GIRL (I think, girl?), the teaching this hum swooped in to hear, thank you. (((GODinabox))) interesting posts, heathen, lion et al hummingbird greetings of joy.

lion: AngelFire: That is not entirely correct. THE WILL is not subject to the positive/negative duality ... only our little wills.

AngelFire: I said I was going a long time ago didn't I..Take care once again..Fantastic night tonight...

RichardKula: Thank you lion and I enjoyed you too. It was just a way... but it is difficult. Live would be easier and yet the intermediate role of teaching which allows for less absolute information to emerge makes it easier to bridge some of this material.

heathen: richard no matter how you paint it, clean it , put flowers on it, GOD is a concept. it is not reality. GOD is a distraction from discovering what reality is.

lion: In my book BEYOND IMAGINATION: Foundations for Creating a New World ... the only "RULE" is "Harm ye not one another nor yourself."

RichardKula: Hi hummingbird Love your red glittering necklace.

robbyh: seems like i missed a lively exchange??!!

hummingbird: Whoops, hi RichardKula, greetings))))

bluedude: It is true, many religous leaders have lost sight of the truth. Out of a feeling of separation from God, they have sought power. Out of fear they have sought to control others. Still, within all religions, there is that spark of truth, and those pure of heart have found that truth. We all are the I AM, God expressing him/herself as spiritual made flesh.

hummingbird: Oh hum preens with delight to be noticed as she flys by so fast. hum wing flaps with joy. Lively discussion on God. Hum I wonder if GOD speaks in English, French, Hebrew....or in God language which makes it really hard to decipher and paragraph out. You know it's like trying to catch and hold the rainbow.

RichardKula: One must understand that it is the aware intent in what you say which is important as well as civil decency. But too many people would say they were harmed by things which they just couldn't handle mentally and this is not what you are saying I am sure. We must understand that the intent of yelling fire is harmful but the intent though it causes pain to others to say that they are gay is not. It might be their intent but rarely. I will be back in 10 minutes.

heathen: so long all

hummingbird: Rich hold the hum close to your fire, if you will as energetic daggers of harmful fire are currently being fired at this little one, with big heart of unconditional love, but ability to fly away, up and out of danger, but so sad, as twin soul struggles within himself for freedom from his self imposed words/language.

hummingbird: hum flying out and off to bed...good night all...poof.

lion: Richard: Do you plan on saving and posting tonight's "exercise". If not, I can generate a page at Beyond Imagination to host it.

hummingbird: Whoops read this one before off to sleep.(((Lion)))good thought to save, but beware do not trap GOD in words, as this does not give him a chance to evolve too. Trying to hold God/love/power...is like trying to hold the icecube forever in your hand. (icecube analogy not mine)

lion: Understand ... GOD ever expresses HERE and NOW. But, I have found such "icecubes" useful at times. :)

hummingbird: And did they stay whole and complete as TRUTH for that moment, or did they evolve, transform?

RichardKula: I have returned... brought some new coffee with me... anyone want coffee? Help your self the first pot is Kona the the other one in the white carafe is decaf.

lion: The TRUTH is never expressed completely and wholly. When exploring new territories, it is useful to leave markers as to where one has been.

hummingbird: Yawning, est, not caring someone played with time tonight and I played along with it and literally, moved time, can you believe it we all held the divine of changing time.....Ha oh, (((LOL))) Good night and sweet dreams to all.....

RichardKula: You know that would be good lion. I will figure something out in the future but if you can do that it would be great and I can post a link to it as well.

RichardKula: by heathen it was good to see you, as always. *s*hug*

lion: FYI, you can use Lines to Display to see the last 150 posts and just cut and paste. For material before that SWC posts it to a log but only keeps it for one day. You can access it via "REVIEW".

RichardKula: I have also met some who could hold those ice cubes and they wouldn't melt, but I don't think it was a miracle.

RichardKula: Truth itself is always expressed completely and wholly but we must rise to the occasion and discover the truth beyond what our previous limits had been and expand ourselves. Truth itself needs no expansion.

lion: Unfortunately, meaning is not expressed in the words ... they are only a mechanism for eliciting it from within each individual according to their awareness.

RichardKula: Yes, speaking of holding time... we must change our clocks as hummingbird muses... but the hummingbird whirs by the heartbeat of God... is there anymore spiritual bird than those little flying saucers flitting backwards and forwards like the out and back of truth itself. Turn back time one hour...fall back.....spring ahead.

lion: INDEED. :)

RichardKula: No pun in intended Lion, but God knows that is true. Which is why we must forever do work even with our words because the definitions will change as we develop and raise our consciousness. What we once thought when we heard a word will change because its meaning will change. There are also exercises called word tracking which involve looking up words and their word origins as they trace back to more absolute terms which may not have been used for hundreds, sometimes thousands of years.

RichardKula: Lion, where are you geographically?

RichardKula: Hey ThirdEye!!!!

lion: Also, it is not only the meaning of words changing over longer periods of time. Even words that came through me in the past four years have evolved substantially in meaning as I have re-read them with ever growing awareness.

lion: Redondo Beach, CA

RichardKula: This is good self observation for you. It will aid in your awareness of self. It is like hearing the phone ring and not wanting to answer it because it represents say a bill collector and for a long time everytime it rings you wince.... or in anticipation of someone you anxiously await to call and one falls all over oneself to get to the phone. Same phone different reactions... like words.

RichardKula: Oh great.. so we are in real time zone wise.

RichardKula: Didn't the pier get damaged in the last El Nino? Do they still have a circular or crescent shaped pier whose end circles back to the mainland with the restaurants on it. Haven't been there in years.

lion: As a metaphysician, one of my major tasks is to constantly expand my "BOX" to contain what I know from experience.

RichardKula: Sometimes we empty that box as well, not everything, pick and choose and flip them out every now and again.

lion: I've only been here a year ... commuting weekly from Monterey for most of that time. Haven't made it to the Redondo Pier yet. Hermosa Beach Pier is closer.

RichardKula: There used to be a lot of jazz clubs, I remember, in hermosa beach.

lion: My big EMPTYING came in 1993 with my AWAKENING to the BEYOND MIND state.

RichardKula: My wife lived in Cambria for a time...long, long ago.

lion: I'm pretty much a Hermit. Between 60 hours per week at work and 30-40 for spirit per week, there is not time for much else.

RichardKula: The pier used to be fun but I'm sure it has changed since I was there last. The last time I was there must have been 1978 thereabouts.

lion: I lived here for four years before -- 1986 - 1989.

RichardKula: Not with that schedule for sure but you might want to see the pier before this El Nino comes rolling in. I wouldn't go there during the next storm. I don't know if what they predict is correct or not, but earth changes are on the rise obviously, warming or not.

lion: Understand ... am in the process of moving to Palm Springs though I will still commute here to work ... for awhile anyway. I expect to see major changes within the next six months ... so we'll see what happens.

RichardKula: We were living in West Hollywood during that period. Actually from 1978 to 1986. Before that we lived in Santa Monica. That pier got damaged. There was talk of fixing it but they never extend it out like it had been proposed.

lightdude: This has been very enjoyable this evening. I will visit your sites and hope to see you again here. Blessings to you both, lion and Richard, the light you generate is true Oneness for all. Namaste.

lion: What do you understand your personal mission for being here in this specific existence to be?

lion: Namaste lightdude! THANKS!

RichardKula: it is just about midnight which means it will become 11. I think technically it changes at two o'clock. Gives the bars an extra hour I guess. And then in the spring when they change it back to 1 from 2 it is too late to stop selling the beer they did the hour earlier.

RichardKula: Tanders, I have never seen that name up there before. Good evening, probably morning!

RichardKula: /topic God Freed From The Box To Express Within And Without

lion: Hmm ... wouldn't know about that. Alcohol has been "off limits" to me. It seems I am a "natural" Buddhist ... or maybe an expression of the Buddha consciousness.

RichardKula: It's the least I can do.

RichardKula: Thank you very much lightdude... e mail me and I will put you on the mailing email list. Thanks.

lion: My wife's maiden name is "Buddingh". Note that it contains Buddhi within it.

lightdude: lion, when in Palm Springs you must go to Idywilde and seek out the many waterfalls and lagoons in Dark Canyon.

Tanders: RichardKula You are correct..the stork just flew in low and dropped me for a while. I am just a net newborn so please be gentle with me.

RichardKula: You know I thought I was the only one wearing several hats but I think lightdude and bluedude are the same person. Probably like that black& white / white & black character played on the original Star Trek episode played by Frank Gorshin of Batman fame as the Joker.... forever chasing his nemesis through the universe... the last of each of their races.

lion: My birthday also just "happens to be" 8 April, that of Buddha as well. This will occur on Easter in both 2007 and 2012 ... the only two times in the span from 1750 through 2150. (that was all that I was moved to check in 1972).

lion: Thanks for the recommendation regarding Idylwilde.

RichardKula: You must, speaking of Buddha, go to the Bodhi Tree in West Hollywood/Beverly Hills when you can if you have never been there. That bookstore has almost everything and an entire building for great used books as well next door (which I like best when I am there.)

RichardKula: Hey that's great... it can be a lot of fun and insightful here. A lot of good people too Tanders. Good to meet you.

lion: Do you speak in numbers? ... understand the spiritual language expressed via number and numerology?

lion: Yes, I used to frequent the Bodhi Tree. Now I write more than I read.

lion: Have you encountered the Teachings of Ramala?

RichardKula: lightdude is that where the tram goes up?

RichardKula: Very strange our meeting like this lion. I was born on Good Friday... April 7th.

bluedude: I'm going to get out of here, but before I go I wanted to thank you all for a nice time. I'll be visiting your web sites soon.....bookmarked them already. Love and Light to you all. Bye

Tanders: RichardKula I have been enjoying the descriptions of California. I have not had the pleasure of extensive travel. There are far to many places I have not seen.

lion: That is amazing! Hmm...

lion: Namaste bluedude! ENJOY!!!

RichardKula: Tanders where are you from and where are you now?

bluedude: wrong. We are best freinds and roommates. She's downstairs and I'm upstairs

RichardKula: Good night and Good morning to you bluedude... Aloha

lightdude: Actually we are two different people. Friends for a long time. The Lightdude name comes from the "all that is" Light consciousness I have conversations with (since a small child) Bluedude is my friends beautiful blue presence that appears when she heals. Since there is humor with the all encompassing love, I started to call upon my "source" ... yo dudes. Humor can go both ways and it has made the conversations quite fun.

RichardKula: bluedude and lightdude... Kule.

lion: (*SMILE*)

Tanders: At the risk of appearing ignorant I need ask that the term of departure "Namaste" be explained or defined which ever applies. Please!

RichardKula: I am not familiar with the writings of Ramala ( even though I sometimes have fun with my real name Derek Lamar spelled backwards as : Rama L. Kered.

RichardKula: Another quirkie thing for you to reconcile lion. There are no accidents but I am not assuming any meaning to these peculariarities... just fun.

lion: The brief meaning of Namaste from me is "I bow to the spirit within you."

lightdude: RichardKula: The tram in Palm Springs doesn't go to Idylwilde.

lion: I find meaning in ALL of these "peculiarities". And it is FUN to find these meanings!

bluedude: Well, I really have to get going now and again I say nity night to all. Bye........Poof!

RichardKula: Thank God Tanders... I have been involved in this stuff for 30 years and I have actually been embarrassed to ask because it was never appropriate and now it may be my time to find out that one.

Tanders: RichardKula I was born in Corpus Christi, Texas and lived in Houston for 26 yrs. I now reside in Fort Worth, Texas. Just born and bred southern gal.

lion: Much of my writings were simply called "Notes" ... in reverse this is SETON. Note that this starts with SET as does SETH and that it sounds similar to SATAN.

RichardKula: Beth on these sites lives in Corpus Christi. She is on often. She has lived there 20 years, before that Maine.

RichardKula: Well as to SATAN... we won't go there... but come on, tell Tanders (and me) what does Namaste mean?

RichardKula: I know lightdude that the tram doesn't go to Idylwilde the city... in fact I think it is an airport... but I thought maybe there was something there called Idylwilde,,, you know... help!!!!!!!

lion: More formally it may be something on the order of "The I AM THAT I AM within me recognizes and respectfully bows to the I AM THAT I AM that is within you."

RichardKula: Oh this could go on eternally, but yes I understand and it is very good. Now tell us what Namaste means.

RichardKula: *SMILE*

lion: Now I've told you twice. First one was "I bow to the spirit within you."

Tanders: It has been such a time since I was there. My parents left there when I was still an infant. I hear so many people rave about the beaches there but I had the pleasure of visiting Boca Raton, Florida, and decided very quickly that we Texans only think we have nice beaches. It was beautiful there.

RichardKula: I must go. It has been a really good night. Lion I have your e mail and I will be speaking with you. Everyone else please e mail me and I will keep you posted on happenings here and there. Love to all of you.

lightdude: lion, that is the "most published" version of Namaste. I like yours better. RichardKula: Idylwilde is a very small village upon the mountain above the desert. There are many vortex's there and a metaphysical community. there are many places up on that mountain for profound meditations (dark canyon being one of the best) Is that what you wanted to know?

lion: Namaste RichardKula / Rama L Kered!!

Tanders: Well lion it looks like only you and me at this moment and your thoughts run very deep. I'm not sure that I can be stimulating conversation for you.

lightdude: Namaste RichardKula

lion: Hmm ... they only run deep because I spent so much time over the past 25 years digging the well. LOL! Now it is Artesian ... it flows forth without requiring a pump. :)

Tanders: My apologies lightdude. I didn't realize you were still here.

lion: Tanders: what brought you here this evening?

Presence: Namaste, EveryOneness!

lightdude: lion, the well analogy is wonderful, I can relate! LOL

lightdude: Tanders, no apologies needed, when you posted that I had gone to the kitchen for a refreshment, so, I wasn't here.LOL

RichardKula: I really am going now, jumping around saying goodnight to everyone only to find presence here and I said good night over there. Love to all.

Presence: Good night, Derek!

Tanders: Well, I am a somewhat simple, out-spoken, easy going kind of gal who just loves people and conversation. After I matured enough to realize that I learn more by listening than always talking things got less complicated. I to am digging that well and may need to learn how to extract without a pump.

lightdude: Tanders, you don't need a pump. Just IS.

RichardKula: Good Night Enrique.

lion: It isn't a matter of "learning how" ... rather it requires tapping into your own direct connection to source. Start by being silent and listening for that small still voice within you. It is within all of us ... we only have to choose to focus our awareness to allow it to come forth. You may feel it as heightened intuition.

lion: Writings at my Beyond Imagination documents my journey over the past 4 plus years. You may find it helpful. :)

Tanders: lion In answer to what brought me here this evening. A need for fellowship with those who have experienced some of the same things as myself. Those who can understand those experiences and accept me as I am without labels or name calling. I have had so many people in my life tell me that my abilities are satanistic and wrong. I even believed them for a while but my heart knew better and trying to be someone you don't know or even like isn't good for body, spirit, or soul. I hope this answers your question.

lion: That's WONDERFUL Tanders. I believe you found some of that here. Feel free to e-mail if you'd like. The address is on nearly ever page at Beyond Imagination.

Presence: See you all when willing to chat with me! Good night and Namaste! **POOF**

Tanith: Greetings, all!

lion: Namaste Tanith!

Tanders: lion I am computer illiterate (smile). My husband is the computer buff. He brought this laptop home from work for me to play with hoping that I would share his interest in it. It will take me a while to learn how to find my way around to alot of info I'm afraid.

Tanders: As I said earlier I am but a babe in the woods on these machines.

Tanith: lion - just paused to check out Beyond Imagination, I've Bookmarked it to have a proper explore later! Tanders - You seem to have made a good start!

lion: OK ... feel free to ask if you have any questions. The machines are pretty robust. They don't break easily. When you see colored names here, they are links to web sites (usually). You can click on them to go there. Then just click on the BACK button to return here. If you follow several links you may have to go BACK a few times to return. :)

lion: You'll find the equivalent of over 2000 8.5 x 11 pages of text there. The artesian well has really been flowing. LOL!!!

lion: Either that or SPIRIT is a SLAVEDRIVER! :) :) :)

Tanith: Tanders - I'm fairly new to the Web myself, watch out, it's addictive!!

lightdude: Tanders, I understand what you say. I had my family and friends call me names and thought of me as the devils child because of my conversations with God and Angels and seeing, hearing, smelling, feeling things others did not, they did not understand (this started around age 5). It is difficult when there is no one in the physical you can explain things to or ask questions. By age 10 I was able to manifest those I needed so my abilities wouldn't go dorment. Trust is the key. I am almost 50 now and I find there are still those that point fingers and I still embrace them, as I do you. You are loved.

Tanders: Hello Tanith. I am not sure of everyone's time zone but in mine it is almost 3 a.m. Does time roll back tonight or tomorrow night? Or is it today? (smile)

lion: I found it addictive for about three months ... discussions such as the above are quite rare, even here at SWC.

lion: 1 AM in California. At 2 AM, time goes back one hour.

Tanith: Tanders - It's tomorrow morning where I am. 8.05 am GMT! We put our clocks back at 2 am British Summer Time. I hope I haven't confused you more!

lion: I guess that means the present hour is FREE time for me! LOL!!

lightdude: Greetings Tanith, Namaste

Tanith: lion - a bit weird reliving an hour! I slept through it!

Tanders: Iightdude I have merely come to the conclusion that fear is the product of ignorance. People always fear that which they do not understand. When I was small i submitted to my adult leadership but now as an adult the choices are mine and it is an enlightening experience in itself.

Tanith: Namaste, lightdude.

Tanith: Tanders - you'll always find support here!

lion: Actually the choice is LOVE/FEAR or TRUTH/ILLUSION, depending on your path. :)

Tanders: Tanith Fear not that you have furthered confused me for confusion is only a state of mind and at 3 a.m. I have no mind therefore no confusion. (smile)

Tanith: Tanders - phew! what a relief! I'm putting the kettle on. Cup of tea, anybody?

Tanders: lion the path part is something that i haven't understood. i have been gifted with abilities....abilities that enable me to do good things for people. is that not a path unto itself?

Tanith: Tanders - the path is usually one of development, sharing and teaching

lightdude: Thank you Tanith but I am already sloshing. Time to meditate and go to bed. It has been a joy. Namaste to you all.

Tanith: Love, Light & Peace, lightdude, hoping to meet again!

lightdude: And that will be a pleasure, Tanith. Blessings to you.

lion: Actually NO. Abilities are simply the equipment that you gave to yourself to carry out your mission here. There are a few basic spiritual paths that most follow. The two key ones I am aware of are the LOVE/FEAR path that is exemplified in A Course in Miracles and the TRUTH/ILLUSION path that seems to be a more Eastern approach. I happen to relate most to this one.

Tanders: goodnight lightdude...hope to speak to you again more in depth.

lion: The TRUTH/ILLUSION path that is.

lightdude: Tanders, anytime. Here or email. you_niverse@selfaware.com

Tanith: lion - I've not heard of that I thought paths were much more individualised. Tells us more,please.

lion: Vivekananda, Krishnamurti, Aurobindo and other Indian Masters express this path.

Tanders: you see ....i may have lied to you...because we could be getting into a rather in depth conversation here. tell me as best you can a little of each and i can better know what rings true to my heart.

lion: Within both of these main paths, each individual experiences a unique journey. Though, some prefer highways for mass transit ... others prefer making their own path through the wilderness that is consciousness.

lion: For the LOVE/FEAR path, go to a bookstore and read from A Course in Miracles. Your heart will tell you if that rings true to you.

Tanith: Tanith - I think I'm one of the ones wandering. But I've picked up such a lot on the way. I am guided both in the real and in the spiritual. It is an exciting journey!

Tanders: I have had an upbringing in the church so my confusion has been in coming to terms with what i was taught and what i believe....i hope you understand what i am trying to say.

lion: The TRUTH/ILLUSION path comes across as far less personal.

Tanith: Tanders - you felt forced to deny and doubt your feelings? your intuition? made to feel bad?

lion: Understand. I've isolated myself from people most of my life, so much of my education came from what I picked up from reading 1000 plus books and thinking a lot on my own. In Mar 93, something inside gave way. It was as if a dam burst and material had to flow out. It hasn't stopped yet. My sense is that it never will.

lion: Wayne's World is expressed at Beyond Imagination. I have not yet found another who experiences reality in a way that is even close to how I experience it.

Tanith: lion - I guess we've all got a slightly different view of Reality! No -one sees things quite the way I do either, but there is usually enough cross over to make communication possible and valuable!!

lion: Ultimately, you will find that you have to go beyond what you believe to what you KNOW from experience. Be careful of what you claim are your beliefs. The true difference between an idea and a belief is the willingness to choose to act in accord with the idea. That is what transforms a mere idea into a belief.

lion: I am not talking about "slightly different". For most people it is "slightly the same". It's a wonder we are able to communicate at all.

Tanith: At the end of the day you may need to go with what you are most comfortable with. If you stick to basic principles of love and doing no harm, you can't be far off.

Tanders: Tanith- I was told that the things I saw Or the spirits that spoke to me were of the devil and to pray and ask for guidiance...what they didn't realize was the spirit did give me guidiance....thus a viscious circle.

lion: Beliefs have nothing to do with truth. They are to be judged by their utility. Where TRUTH resides, there is no room for "beliefs" to operate.

Tanith: lion - in my experience it's very hard not to communicate on some level or another, and I have met a very wide range of people!! Maybe it is because I make the effort. I'll talk to anyone, I'm not picky!

lion: Tanders: At least you found a way to break out of the circle. :) GOOD FOR YOU! Many never reach that point. Many more never open their inner ears to hear spirit speak to them directly to begin with.

Tanith: Tanders - you didn't fit their mould!

Tanders: lion- To coin an old phrase you have to stand for something or you will fall for anything...if you reside in truth you believe in truth. Truth is of the light even the Bible teaches that...Love is of the light. SO there are two things I can believe in... which is what Tanith said. She just didn't use so many words!

lion: I have found that as well Tanith. Though it is also clear from my experience that while the communication is useful, the meaning that is received is usually very different than my own understanding of the meaning that was attempted to be communicated. However, the communication is being driven by spirit, so whatever gets across is exactly what spirit intends to convey.

Tanith: lion - we are tending to grope around in the dark, spirit comes directly from Light and has the advantage of clarity!!

Tanders: Tanith-- Not fitting a mold about sums it up...and if you really want to hear a wild one.....on top of standing my ground against my own family I married a Baptist preacher's son....but he is in the same place I was years ago....

lion: Namaste Tanders and Tanith! I must retire for the evening. In Peace, Love and Light, Wayne.

Tanith: Tanders - good for you, for standing your ground. You'll have to prize him out of his imposed mold!

Tanith: Namaste Wayne. I'll check out Beyond Imagination with interest! OK if I e you?

Tanders: Tanith--- It is my belief (for lack of a better word) that there is a balance. For all good there is equal evil.... therefore all spirit is not good . Do you follow where I am going with this?

Tanith: There are Dark forces. I haven't encountered them directly, but sometimes I feel that my path is being deliberately blocked. I am told if you challenge these 3 times they must relent.

Tanders: Goodnight lion and may your well flow eternally. Hope to speak with you again. Thank you for your welcome and your help and the kindness of your fellowship.