lion: Namaste All! Time to try another mountain top. Actually, this is one that I personally have physically been to the top of ... LOL!!!

celine: That's great lion! must be o terrific feeling *smile*

lion: Lately, I've been overcome by a sense of destiny ... I feel that I am being led to down a path to a very bright future. A future filled with light, where the expression of spirit is natural and complete, where the wonders that are created are truly BEYOND IMAGINATION which itself is BEYOND MIND.

lion: INDEED, celine. YES, indeed!

lion: There is a strong sense that anything is possible now. That the masks which we have worn for so long can finally be removed so that we can express whom that we truly are.

celine: It sounds as if you are experiencing an awakening that is being felt by many.

lion: I for one, anxiously look forward to what lies ahead. Even more than that ... to what will unfold before me each and every day. We are truly blessed to have chosen such a time to live.

celine: Forgive my slow responses, but I've been room hoping.

lion: Actually, that came in the summer of 1993 for me. For nearly four years, I've been expressing what spirit would express through me ... searching for others touched by spirit in the same way. Searching for other explorers journeying into the unknown lands of consciousness.

celine: I agree, it is a wonderful time that we've chosen,but we would have been here anyway. It's part of the evolvement process. There is so much more to come.

lion: To date 2000 plus pages of metaphysical material has been generated and posted at Beyond Imagination.

celine: Greetings Bink, welcome!

lion: Yes, but we specifically chose to be spirit having a physical experience now. :)

Bink: hi celine, thank-you... how do, lion, just looking at your page...

celine: I took a trip to your website, but did'nt stay long because I did'nt want you to think I'd left abruptly. I will go back and visit. Seems quite, quite interesting.

celine: I agree lion, I agree :)

celine: I must admit, your enthusism is bursting right thru my monitor. Energy is amazing, is'nt it *smile*

Bink: IMHO, all *is* consciousness, the entire universe and all its manifestations.... so "physical" is a misnomer...

celine: IMHO? Please explain. Much here is still new to me Bink :)

celine: Please lion, don't get quiet, you have so much to share and I am very interested. Will book mark your site for a later time.

lion: YES, it has been quite interesting for me anyway ... including a 10 day vacation to a mental hospital. I've been manic for four years ... flying in a manner that I did not know was possible. Where I am flying to, I know not ... but I am thoroughly enjoying the process. I have discovered a spiritual world embedded in the symbol systems of the physical one, a world that no others that I've met are able to see ... but one that is more real to me than the physical one. It is where I focus my attention. It is my home. But, there I am still the Hermit, for I have found no others in that domain.

Bink: in my humble opinion, celine.... :-)) (tha'ts a grin)

Bink: hello Jennifer...

lion: Namaste bink. Misnomer or not, physical is one of the distinctions that we assign to a kind of limitation or illusion that consciousness chooses to wear. :)

celine: Welcome Jennifer, please did not mean to ignore. Welcome!

lion: "I" is one such illusion as well. For, there is but ONE consciousness that animates us all.

Bink: lion, yep, a *self-imposed* limitation... that which we think of and see/touch as 'physical' is merely *symbols*, as you said...

lion: ONE consciousness that feeds all thoughts in all minds, that experiences everything, even the illusions and limitations. ONE consciousness seeking to know itself, it's true SELF!

Bink: lion, agreed again! it is a false sense of 'I' or ego that brings on all our problems, eh!

Bink: lion, for me, that one Consciousness is all-knowing, all-seeing, all-acting, the Only.

celine: Then why the "I" in the first place?

lion: Further, names and numbers are symbols that have embedded spiritual meaning as well. Addresses, account numbers, amounts of bills, serial numbers, license plates, etc ... all have embedded meaning.

Bink: explain your question, celine? :-))

celine: Bink, thank you for explanation of IHMO (I like it!)

lion: If such is so, then why must it experience the illusion that I experience. NO, my sense is that it is not all knowing ... indeed it is becoming and experiencing that which it is and learning to know itself through such expression and experience.

celine: Well Bink, I've been hearing a lot about the ONE and the false perception of the "I" or the many. Almost the impression that the "I" is "bad". Did not the great ONE create the "I" for the experiences of ego. To be able to view itself?????

lion: Yes celine, the "I" is simply an EYE through which the ONE can SEE itself. :)

celine: lion, like you I believe the ONE is still learning of ITSELF and grows even as we (its parts) grow.

Bink: celine, crystal clear now. yes, I would basically agree, although I might put it a little differently...

lion: And EYE is 575, the first 3 digit of my social security number.

Bink: I would say that God, or Mind, is 'infinite individuality', and that man/woman/universe are Her/His expression or manifestation...

celine: lion, I know very little of symbols and numbers. Still there are so many new things this medium has presented.....and it's marvelous!!!

Bink: the Mind that manifests the spiritual universe knows itself and its creation completely, and maintains it in infinite harmony...

lion: If not, there would be no real purpose for our existence. My experience has been that each awakening, each new realization makes one that much more aware that the process of growth of awareness is without end.

celine: I like that Bink. It sounds as if we are all on one accord therefore: of one mind (simply put...in agreement about the ONE)

David: Recently I have been having incredible meditations where my body first starts tingling, then gets to the point where I am vibrating on a much higher level of consciousness. It is helping my ascension process.

Bink: just exactly, so, celine. "let that Mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus".

David: I have been working with many things, tibetan chanting, friends of mine on higher vibratory levels, and many other fun things!

celine: lion you and Bink sound like echoes, thoughts are so harmonious. You're like a finely tuned instrument.....ON KEY :))

Bink: good evening David, that sounds quite exciting...

celine: Welcome Davis, Welcome 2chance....Please be a part of this circle.

David: Have you guys been experiencing more intense experiences lately? It really feels like the consciousness everywhere is getting up to a fever pitch among the fun circles.... Too bad the collective consciousness feels so unaware!

Bink: celine, so to your question about the 'I' manifesting the Ego-God....

lion: Is that experience or theory Bink? I spent twenty years locked in my mind, immersed completely in theory ... then I woke up ... I went Beyond Mind. Others questioned my very sanity, as did I. Nothing that I thought that I knew was of any use. It did not come close to explaining my direct experience. Now, I know. Then, I only thought. There gulf between these two if infinite. One does not awaken via the mind. One must leave the limitations of that tool behind to BE.

Bink: hi Watcher, - is this the *real* Watcher? *grin*

celine: oops, sorry David. My spelling is sometimes atrocious at this hour.

David: lion, it sounds like you're moving from 3rd dimensional consciousness into a little bit of the 4th! congrats..

David: It's really fun when you start percieving time as all one. When linear time is such a joke! You just see at all occuring at once on the time track...

Bink: lion... experience, insofar as I have experienced it. you are right, one does not awaken through attempting to use what one thinks of as one's mind, but by *realizing* infinite Mind as the only reality.

lion: Yes, intensity is picking up. 1998 marks the completion of the 8th cycle of 222. 1776 was the completion of the 7th cycle. YES, the birth of the United States ... America = "I AM race" = Race of the I AM!

celine: Bink, I think my question was answered in that we agree that GOD manifests thru us as us to experience and grow.

David: I'm getting nervous for some reason, I'm leaving soon..

Bink: celine, continuing with your question... since Mind, God, is All, there is just ONE Mind, and it is our *illusion* and *insistence* that there are *many* minds that continually gets us into trouble.

David: I love all the fun stuff that's been going on!

David: good point bink, it is important to realize the collective consciousness, instead of believing in an individual one for each being.

celine: Please explane the "IAM" race lion??

Bink: hello Gypsee! :-))

David: later guys

Bink: true, David, a vital point, you might say *the* vital point for mankind to ultimately realize.

Gypsee: Hello Bink..nice to meet your acquaintance...reviewing.

celine: bye David

lion: My sense is that we are in the process of building an infrastucture, a physical body composed of many interdependent people cooperating together in a way that permits cosmic consciousness herself to have a new physical vehicle through which to express.

Bink: bon soir, David, go in love and peace...

celine: Greetings Gypsee, welcome.

Gypsee: General Gist...We are all One, but yet..we are all very unique individauls walking on different paths...but we all come from the same Creator...therefore we are all c-creator's with the One...I AM...yes...ahahha...feeling philosophical tonight...sorry :)

lion: God's answer to Moses: "I AM that I AM". Rearrange the letters of a-m-e-r-i-c-a and you get i - am - race, the race of the I AM.

Bink: lion, what is your sense of infinity? is the creative Consciousness infinite? and if so, can the Infinite be also incomplete?

Gypsee: Hello Celine...Nice to meet you ...thank you.

celine: that sounds very interesting lion. I've heard of the "IAM" activity, but this sounds slightly different.

Bink: good summary, Gypsee! :-))

Bink: so lion, you mean America is the Israel of the Bible?

lion: How do each of you experience thoughts? Personally, I observe them and choose which to focus on, and choose which thoughts to act upon. However, I never consciously experience actually "creating" thoughts.

Gypsee: Thanks...ahahha...I do believe we are All One...but we ALL must learn tolerance with those different from those traveling on a different path than our own. Many are "waking" up and remembering their souls' purpose....and many are not....but we must learn to tolerate everybody...this world scares the heck out of me sometimes.

celine: LION, I never realized that before. I have heard the term "IAM" race. Well put Gypsee.

lion: Infinite is a concept ... I do not experience it as a reality. Logic games do not apply in that domain. They are limited to the mind.

Bink: lion, yes, like a radio receiver... we can tune in the static, the garbage, or focus/tune in on a clear station...

Gypsee: The Intolerance and Boundaries that every group seems to put up around them....

Gypsee: The mind is so small and can't even comprehend what infinity is...the Universe is more than the mind...anybody remember their past lives or are more aware of things on soul level than mind?

lion: I don't do much with the Bible. Israel has no personal meaning to me. At least not yet. 919153 = Death exalted|Death Exalted|The Knight of Swords.

Bink: yes, Gypsee... sometimes seems the longer mankind is around, the dumber he gets, eh! I find Christian exclusivism particularly ugly, and not biblically supported, either.

Gypsee: The Bible if it is read correctly you could say it is "The Book of the Mind"...Christianity is going to be one of those things that we will be attoning for for many years....I myself belive in Christ...but am NOT A CHRISTIAN....I think they twist so much out of whack.... Everybody must realize that everything is interpretations...and no one has the right way!!!

Gypsee: But those who follow and choose such paths...are on those paths to learn maybe somesort of discipline?? What do you think Bink???

lion: WOW! Looking backward, 351919 = Mar 5, 1919. My spiritual writings began on March 5 in 1993, exactly 74 years later. 74 is my Birth Number. Curious! I guess there is a tie to Israel after all. Hmm... interchange the ae and you get IS REAL!!!!

Bink: I've been reading chapter 8, lion.... find lots to agree with...

Gypsee: I am a perpetual student and I question WHY...and if the reason I can understand it..than I will adopt it..but BLIND FAITH and believing just because someone tells you to...ack...I only belive what I can understand. I LOVE to think, analyze and break things apart...I don't think any way is the right way exclusively...intolerance really irks me sometimes.

celine: lion, you're amazing...so happy to meet you as well as Bink and Gypsee. Thank you for the sharing, I am learning so much here.

Gypsee: Lion--what is Consciousness...a CON GAME...ahahhahah...

Bink: Gypsee, I kind of think of it all as a maze... you see the rats running down all the paths which are a dead end, but eventually they retrace their steps and find their way through. some make it faster than others...but all eventually

Bink: Gypsee, you keep right on thinking and questioning!

Gypsee: Soul Evolution Bink...you have been running down all those paths yourself in past-lives...oviously you have learned and grown...if you are learned...than traditional religions and dogmatic views will be to narrowminded for you.

lion: Yes Bink, receivers tuning into the cosmic channels of the ONE. We see what we tune into, but we do not create what is broadcast, or even know firsthand from where it is broadcast. Most people have not even realized this. They believe they are the originator because the thoughts appear in their heads. It is like a radio believing that it originated the music that came through it ... or a TV believing that it created the shows that appear on its screen.

celine: If we are all part of the whole, then it seems incredulous to believe a part would have all knowledge of the whole therefore Gypsee, I tend to agree with you, that no one group has THE ANSWER. That group has what is right for it at that time until it evolves.

Gypsee: Bink...I feel Tolerance and LOVE is the keys..or at least a couple of them...so you can't really call any path a dead end...but...we are all moving forwards..just at different paces....just learning and growing....constantly..the big cycle of death and rebirth.

Bink: well folks, it's bime for ted, so I must be off...

Bink: Gypsee, generally agreed, but re-incarnation is not part of my belief-system...

Gypsee: Thanks Celine...Lion...I belive we are co-creators...everything we do starts as a thought...and then the process unfolds..kind of like planting a seed and seeing it to maturity....we do create what is broadcast....there is more than one person thinking anything up...but one person will be senseitvie enought to receive the info and do something about it.

Bink: conversation has been very stimulating, thanks a bunch everyone, and a pleasant goodnight to all.

celine: Love & Light Bink. Thank you for your sharing. I am blessed this nite.

Gypsee: Bink...well...I could not believe that we are just here and going to die and that's it....I do a lot of Astrology and Past-life astrology and relationship astrology...Scientists are just learning...POETS KNOW...that is my favorite line.

celine: Love & Light Bink. Thank you for your sharing. I am blessed this nite.

Gypsee: Have a great night Bink..it was a pleasure chatting with you.

lion: con = with, scious - ness = the quality of scious = 139631. Hmm ... this comes across to me as 96 with 13:Death on the left and 13:Death on the right (outside in). It is as if 1996 somehow marked a major transition time. Hmm...

Bink: sheesh, you guys, would *love* to stay and continue this *fascinating* discussion! but MUST go, so *remember* - "livin' is lovin'"! ***POOF***

Gypsee: Hey Lion..You into numerology at all per chance??? ahahha

lion: By the way, I "think" like this yet work as a engineer. MS in electrical engineering from Stanford. Those I work with consider me quite strange.

Gypsee: Lion Death to me is only transformation...weather it be physical or spirtual..in 1996...A lot of people really began to WAKE UP

lion: Numbers ... they don't mean a thing to me. LOL!!!

Gypsee: Lion...I'm an Astrologer, Numerologer, Tarot and Counselor...if anyone knew the way I thought...I would be labeled instantly...ahahah

lion: As it is to me. 91 = 78 + 13 = Tarot cycle + Death = Death Exalted.

Gypsee: Lion would you agree there is nothing random?

Gypsee: 13 is Death/REBIRTH...remember there is two sides of any coin.

Gypsee: 13 is a special number...very special....

lion: Hard for a Hermit to be a Counselor ... philosopher king is more to my liking. I dabble in the rest, combining numerology and tarot into an alphabet of a spiritual language that only I seem to speak thus far.

Gypsee: The 13th Angel is the Angel of Death and REbirth

celine: Gypsee, please explain 13 is Death/REBIRTH. Have always been atracted to 13, 3 and 31

lion: INDEED! Nothing random!

Gypsee: ahahhahahha...I am a HERMIT too....

Gypsee: Celine...with Death and REbirth...where do you live..do you experience the 4 seasons...look how quick mother natures is and reminds us yearly..how things don't really die...they just rest for a while before they are born again

lion: Yes, one of the MITS of HER, one of the gloves that SHE = CONSCIOUSNESS wears!

celine: I see, Gypsee. Constant renewal.

celine: welcome amron and welcome again Jennifer.

Gypsee: Celine...I think our lives are so very short on the earth plane...which indeed they are...it is so important to Seize and Live in the NOW/PRESENT moment..FOCUS only on the Present/Now...the past can't be changed..and the future is built on the NOW...If someone pointed a gun at me...I would laugh at them...and say go ahead....I'm not afraid to die...no fear....death is rebirth..and if you finish all your lessons in this lifetime...than you won't bounce back to "HELL" which to me is EARTH. ahhahaha

amron: Gypsee-does this mean that we are recycled souls?

celine: Gysee and the numbers 3 and 31??

Gypsee: Amron...your soul is your soul..ONLY YOURS..nobody can hurt your soul or take that away from you..physical body..that will perish...but Soul..we keep coming back to learn and grow..we never make mistakes ...if you pull the learning out of them...life would be awfully boring if we were all clones and everything was peaches and cream..ahhaha

lion: Hmm ... perhaps you should rephrase the question. We are souls who choose to wear many bodies to gain experience that leads us to Know our SELF, to know whom that we are, the I AM!

celine: Gypsee, is hell really earth or a manifestation of our creation?? If we are co-creators with God than don't we create hell?

Gypsee: Amron...I don't believe there is a being out there that is going to judge our souls...I believe WE JUDGE our own souls....in spirit world...we are honest with ourselves unlike when we work on ego level..where we can fool ourselves and make us belive we are doing right or something...whatever...excuse my ramblings...I'm going off on a tangent..and losing my thought...it's been a long day..just turned my garden and planted.

lion: Hell is earth only if you choose to make it so. It can just as easily by HEAVEN. Such is the power of your choice.

Gypsee: Celine...just listen to your own heart...I agree with what you ask...Yes...we create our own hell....we must take responsibility for all our bad times we experience in this lifetime...even though many of them won't make sense...you are leanring and growing....and evolving yourself back to like lion put it the I AM...we all are co-creators....and everything starts with a thought...

lion: Agree Gypsee ... we cannot fool our Soul. It is sufficient to be our sole Judge. :)

Gypsee: Lion..YES...HEAVEN ON EARTH....we can make it so if we CHOOSE to do SO...that is WILL..and we all possess FREE-WILL....Jesus said to...All if Possible to him that believeth"

Gypsee: Your right Lion...but it is amazing sometime..I can't image some of the malicousness I have seen others to do others...I just can't fathom how they dont' belive it's wrong what they did...ahahhahah....j

Gypsee: Karmic Retribution....It's a good game that we all have set up when we dropped into physical bodies....we just have to remember life is a game and play it right....I think the winners reach Nirvana or Heaven...just pure spirits..and we may then come back to help others ...like Spirit guides or Angels..etc.

lion: Gypsee, my sense is that everything starts with a choice of focus. Spirit feeds us thoughts in line with our beliefs, choice of focus, interpretation, and choice to act on a thought. The difference between a thought and a "belief" is simply the willingness to "act in accord with". We create reality through our beliefs and actions NOT through our thoughts.

amron: Gypsee- possibly they don't realize that they are doing anything wrong...perspective, perhaps?

Gypsee: I don't know...I have to think there is just way more to life than just being born than dieing and that's it. If I had to look at things like that...life would just not make sense at all to me.

celine: Have read that we as souls have chosen to come and have experiences on this earth plane. Some have chosen to have these experiences in order to learn (whether the experience be "good" or "bad") Even lessons to be learned in injustices. Seems strange, btu somehow, I beleieve there is a balance to all of it. Take it a step further and there is no good or bad....there just IS

Gypsee: Lion Exactly...when you get right down to it...that is what Magic is....But I think before you act on somehing of believe something...dont' you have to think it first? hmmmm...clarify...cause I'm just learning and bouncing ideas out there to see what you guys think and feel...

lion: Either that or they simply do not take responsibility for their actions. We all choose everything that we experience at a soul level. However, we interpret what it means at a conscious level. The point of the game is to grow in awareness ... to make the process conscious.

celine: I like your bouncing things out Gypsee @^_^@

Gypsee: Celine...Our Souls pick everything that is going to happen to us...and believe me we have such a sense of humor when it comes to soul....we pick challenges to happen to learn..and we also have opportunities. Every problem to me is a gift and I embrace it as such...to learn from it...experience is the only teacher to me...or the best one.

lion: You experience the thought coming into your mind and you choose to focus on it, embrace it, and ACT on it. You do not bring the thought to your mind, it just arrives. Such is how I experience it anyway. I "hear" thoughts in my head. I don't experience being the originator of what I "hear".

celine: In a free will universe, one has to grow to the point of responsibility for choices, but in order to do that...one must be aware that there are choices, always for EVERYTHING

Gypsee: Lion they don't take responsibility for it...but one way or another they will grow in awareness...because we tend to play out all the old scenes over and over till we start waking up...some just take longer than others...so it would appear...but we have all 'Been there---Done That"...everybody to me is a mirror of someone I use to be or am now...and those that really repulse me...is because my subconscous knows I use to be just like that..know what I mean?

celine: Greetings lavender, welcome!

celine: excuse spelling...lavendar

Gypsee: Lion...when I chat with my guide...during meditation...I am asking the questions..I am not controlling the answers....but my conscoius thoughts are answered or just arrive per say. WE ARE SO IN CONTROL...of everything that goes on...this is what I believe. Just like deja'vu...to me past, present and future has already happened and were just catching up to it with our physical bodies...that to me explain a lot of things...it's like subconscously we know all the answers. We just have to remember how to tap into the Universal StoreHouse of Knowledge..The Universal Mind.

lion: But, to what does your conscious "free will" apply. I believe it is only to how you choose to interpret what you experience ... the interpretation is the REALITY. It is the soul that is choosing the experiences ... I am not consciously aware of this part of me that makes this level of choice.

Gypsee: That kool lion...but you can come in to touch with that part of you...and know these things and know the real REALITY...and know and understand the WHY of everything....it comes in time and when you are ready and can handle it....

amron: Gypsee-I have read that the reason why some Souls "repulse" us is because our Soul has known them before..in a different life, under unagreeable circumstances

Gypsee: Lion all Free-Will is is CHOICE...we program the experiences...but FREEWILL comes into play when we experience the experiences and the way we Choose to REACT...we can get mad or angry or we can laugh....know what I mean?

lion: In my experience, there are no "chats", there are no others, no teachers, no guides ... ever. There is only an inner connection to something I label source is a feminine spiritual essence to me. It is consciousness, herself, the ONE. It has no separate existence. It is me, but I am only a part of HER.

celine: But that to me is your free will. The interpretation...how you see things or interpret them is a choice. Two may see the glass with water differently, half full or half empty. Who is right?? Both are. It is a matter of interpretation as a result of a choice. Therefore...free will

lion: Yes, that is what I mean by choosing the interpretation. It is not what happens that matters, but the MEANING that we attach to how we experience something.

Gypsee: Amron...definately...past-life enemies...and stuff like that...but anyone your meeting that puts a knife in your back..believe it..you have done the same to them in another life-time and they are just seeking revenge..they might consciously not understand what is happening.....every relationship is a karmic one..weather if be friend, enemey, companion, help-mate or SoulMate or Twin Flame....I do karmic astrology and relationship astrology and it is mindblowing how violence between people is in their charts...negative aspects of personality will only manifest if someone is working on EGO level...and Desire level......you need to forgive the person to break the karmic tie with them..it is the only way..or the scene just keeps getting played out..from lifetime to lifetime with no resolution...

lion: From your definition of free will, I personally do NOT experience free will to choose what will happen. I only experience free will to choose how I will interpret what I experience ... I create the MEANING that each experience has for me.

Gypsee: Lion...your right...but we all can talk to ourselves in different ways..if I choose to hear a guide...and you choose to hear yourself or the feminine spiritual...we are saying the same thing...just using different words....believe me..everything I hear comes from within myself ...not outside....but within...but...words are a big downfall...misunderstandings happen so easily and essentially the same thing is being said...I see that with most religions...the same universal concepts run throughout all of them..but words are different???

lion: Sometimes I observe what appear to be choices of action, but my overall sense is that these are but illusion. The playwright of my life is my Soul. She writes the script. I have no choice but to play it out as she wrote it.

Gypsee: Lion...that is what I was trying to say...sorry if the words came out wrong...we all are unique and experience things so differently....that's a given.

Gypsee: Lion...that is what I was trying to say...sorry if the words came out wrong...we all are unique and experience things so differently....that's a given.

amron: I agree-Gypsee...sometimes, you put the knife in your own back by being born with a handicap or some sort of a disease.

celine: Lion you are creating a division...she is you

celine: Are you still here??

lion: Understand Gypsee. My sense is that the words we choose to use must be in line with our understanding. In my reality there is only ONE consciousness. Thus far I have had no need to partition her into boxes or entities that could be labelled to be separate. Such is not compatable with my particular awareness ... though by no means do I imply that such distinctions are not real or have no utility. I simply do not experience my particular illusion/reality in that manner. We are very creative beings. Consciousness expresses in an amazing variety of forms.

celine: lion did you and Gypsee get bumped?? If so I don't think Gypsee is back yet.

lion: I am experiencing that my awareness is not complete. There are many parts that are unknown, that are "unconscious". However, one cannot find these parts and become AWARE of them, unless one first realizes consciously where the boundary between the Known and the Unknown lies. This is different for each one of us and it constantly changes as we grow in awareness.

celine: lion, I would agree with you totally. Are you female"

lion: Gypsee had many repeated posts. That usually indicates that gremlins are at work. :(

lion: No, physically male. However, I relate much better to women overall ... always have.

amron: Lion-do your dreams help at all? For dreams are the doorway to that realm of awareness.

celine: Then have you consciously chosen that your guide is SHE for this reason?

lion: I try to be very careful about expressing what I personally experience. I was lost in the thoughts of others (mainly metaphysical books) for over 20 years. Now I express my own voice. Or, the voice that spirit would allow me to express for HER.

lion: I have virtually no recall of dreams. I never see images in my head. I "hear" words and allow them to come through my fingers as I am doing now. I don't judge them ... sometimes they amaze me.

amron: automatic writing?

lion: No, I have not consciously chosen any guide. The source that speaks through me intuition feels feminine to me, yet SHE is the ONE consciousness. Why she would be feminine is unknown to me. I simply relate what I experience.

celine: I like that you listen to the voice within and not get swamped in the thoughts of others. I think we become so engrossed in the toughts of others that we can not determine our own paths...and thus religions are born

lion: What is the definition of automatic writing? If you have no conscious awareness of where thoughts originate, are not all thoughts "automatic"?

celine: greetings White, welcome

lion: Most people are not comfortable with a blank mind ... they become uneasy and find something to occupy it. One must be willing to be silent to hear the still voice that comes from inside. Over time, it becomes louder than anything from the outside ... all it takes is a choice of focus of attention.

lion: Also, even regardless of where a thought originates, it is YOU that must interpret it and give it meaning. The words are merely a conveyance. Most people are blind to what is being conveyed. For true understanding of meaning, one must reach the state of consciousness from which the words were able to be expressed originally.

amron: I feel that thoughts are not automatic, that the Soul has some conscious awareness due to the many Lives it had been in the Past

celine: No matter what we speak of, choice is the KEY and yet many are not aware that there is a choice.

amron: agree, celine...

lion: My sense is that our awareness and focus are how we tune into a "station" or thought stream. Our soul creates this stream for us, we don't consciously create the thoughts.

lion: But, what is your experience of where YOU have conscious choice and where you don't have conscious choice. We don't consciously choose MOST of what we experience. Such is how I experience it anyway.

celine: Is it that we don't consciously create the thought or that we are NOT AWARE of creating it. You make the soul appear to be separate from us as if there is two or perhaps three..us, soul and spirit?

lion: What the Soul's awareness is does not really matter. It is what we are consciously aware of that matters. The goal is to awaken and become consciously aware of that which our soul, our true SELF knows.

celine: But consciousness is a limited dimension anyway, is'nt it? Is not there a step beyond consciousness, analyzing. is'nt there a knowing that supersedes (spelling?) this?

lion: That is what it means to "consciously create". You cannot consciously create if you are "not aware" of creating. Awareness is what makes the process conscious.

lion: BEYOND MIND is IMAGINATION, BEYOND IMAGINATION is the ONE Consciousness, BEYOND the ONE Consciousness is the UNKNOWN. After that, I have no conceptual understanding and no experience.

celine: Then where or when do you enter the state of beingness that is beyond consciousness? Or is there such a thing?

amron: infinity

lion: We'll know when we experience such. Right now, I'm happy to explore the realm of consciousness and the boundary between KNOWN and UNKNOWN.

lion: Infinity is a sideways 8. Interesting that we are reaching the conclusion of the 8th cycle of 222 years in 1998. [If the first cycle is 0, 9th if start with cycle 1]

celine: It's good to entertain it just the same. After all, that's what we're here to do. Ifinity.. the all the ONE...I would agree amron.

lion: Namaste All! Wonderful conversation tonight. Thank YOU!!! In Peace, Love and Light, Wayne.

celine: lion, What is the 8th cycle?

celine: lion, the pleasure has truly been mine, Until we meet again....Namaste!

lion: Infinity is the concept that there is never a biggest number ... no matter how large a number you pick, there is always that number plus 1, or 2 times that number.

celine: I'm still trying to understand so...... two times what # is infinity 4?????

lion: 8th cycle of 222 ended in 8 x 222 = 1776. The 9th cycle completes in 1998.

celine: or is infinity every number, all numbers?? How does this relate to 8th cycle?

lion: infinity is the idea that there is no greatest number, period. No matter what number you pick, you can always create a number that is twice the one you name. There is no number you can multiply by 2 or by 20 or by 20 million that gets you to infinity. Now matter how high you go, you can always go higher.

lion: Infinity relates to 8 because the symbol for infinity looks like a sideways 8.

celine: as you can see lion, I am not a numbers person(i struggle with the concept of numbers in relation to everything). I need more time to think on this. Thank you anyway for your patience.

lion: No problem. :) Namaste celine!

celine: I just saw your last post...that, I CAN understand.

celine: Namaste lion, You are a wonderful being. My Presence thanks Your Presence.

lion: My mind comes up with some very amusing relationships and connections between things. Such is how I build my web of meaning. See the BEYOND IMAGINATION site when you have time and check out THE SEARCH FOR CENTER Newsletter that we publish each month.

lion: Thank YOU. I am but a MIRROR for your awareness as well!

celine: will do lion. Thank you!!!