I started as "search" then changed to "lion".
LOVE,
Wayne
search (lion): The "mysteries of the universe" are the mysteries of SPIRIT EXPRESSING IN FLESH. There is ONE CONSCIOUSNESS expressing through us all. That we are many, is the illusion that we experiences. But the walls and barriers that separate us are of our own making. It is for us to tear them down when we are ready to fully experience the I AM that we are.
Kathulu: I'm here
grunblau: i am here now *smile*
grunblau: LOL-- we *****synch***** *smile*---how we do that???
Kathulu: Please continue Search...*smile*
Kathulu: Grun...not sure....(((HUGS))
search (lion): What we see unfolding is a miraculous expression. Each of us has a part to play in that expression ... this is our dharma, the work that we chose to come her to do. For many who reach here, we choose some of the more interesting roles ... for we are to be the leaders and the wayshowers to a new way of being.
Kathulu: I want to learn more of what others think about the mysteries of the Universe.....*smile*
Dea: Hi everyone joy and light. search, I enjoyed what you said, thank you for sharing
Kathulu: search.....are you a student of the Summit Lighthouse?
Kathulu: Hello Dea!
Kathulu: Grun....sweety....what's up?
search (lion): Namaste Kathulu. Please bookmark The Search for Center site. If you like what is expressed through me, you'll find thousands of pages there and at the Beyond Imagination site.
search (lion): No, I am a student of Consciousness herself. Spirit is my guide and teacher.
Kathulu: search .....thankyou....I will check out the site....for as a student of life does not pass up knoweldge that will lead to progression of the spirit.
grunblau: Search--- nice page-- did you do the art on the frony page--
Kathulu: (((FireEAgl))((HUGS))///search please....continue....I am most interested.
FireEagl: Greetings Kathulu...grunblau...ALL....
Dea: Kathulu, very nicely stated to search....I, also will not miss this chance to grow. Thank you, search
search (lion): I've found personally that one must go beyond knowledge to EXPERIENCE, if one is to truly progress and allow spirit to flow forth in one's life.
Dea: Greetings FireEagl, blessings
FireEagl: Hi Dea...don't think we've talked before have we?...*s*
Kathulu: search...these words are true...and I have experienced much...but am always open to experience more...I have noticed my progression...and know that I cannot step back but step forward....
search (lion): You'll find my own experiences of the past four years documented at the site above. It has been an interesting journey ... going beyond mind, then beyond imagination to find SELF and to gain understanding ... limited though it may be or the very nature of reality and reality creation.
FireEagl: I talk to god too.....but I hear him...don't use a string.....
Dea: FireEagl, no, but I've seen your name quite a bit. How are you today?
FireEagl: Did grun jump..or get bumped????
grunblau: screwed-- odd nick-- what you are describing is a pendulum *smile* any hangimg object will work-- i use a necklace with amber on the end--- yes you could say god or angels push the end for answers--- but just hold it still and say "show me yes" and note the direction it goes-- then say thank you it will stop and then ask "show me no" and note the direction again thank the source-- some say it is your higher self that moves the pendulum thru your energy feild
search (lion): Excellent Kathulu, it is always nice to find others with a passion for spiritual growth ... but more important for the expression of Spirit, HERE and NOW!
Kathulu: not sure FireEagl..
grunblau: yes got bumped
FireEagl: Dea..uh seen my name...ummmm..and you're still talking with me...LOL.....jus' a little Bird joke..LOL...doing good ...sleepy getting ready to take a nap...*G*...How are you?
Pan: AgentJ are you still here? hello everyone..
Kathulu: Search.....yes....it is very stimulating to know that so many more are now searching and experiencing as well....I have been experiencing the expresion of the spirit for about 10 years...but find there is always more to learn/teach with each day...
FireEagl: Hello Pan...
grunblau: my oh my---
search (lion): Does anyone here have a strong sense of MISSION, of WHY your are here ... of what the PLAN calls for in the next few years to few decades?
Pan: FireEagle..hello ......how are you this day/night?
Dea: Hi (((Grun))) Yep
FireEagl: Emotions are good!!*S*....No problem......
bk: Hello -- I channel healing energy from the One, are there other healers here?
grunblau: {{{fireeagle}}} {{{dea}}} {{{pan}}} nice ta see ya
Dea: Search...good question, to help and heal others
Kathulu: search....yes....as a matter of fact I am working on getting my mission going....I was shown what I was suppose to do over 8 years ago...but the universe has been patient and has basically let me know that NOW is the time to start bringing it into fruition
Pan: grun...nice to you my friend....
search (lion): Indeed Kathulu, my metaphysical journey began in 1974, 23 years ago ... however, it really took off in the Summer of 1993 when I went through some experiences that were my wake up call to whom that I AM.
grunblau: bk!!!!! a healer and cahnneling most interesting concept--- not sure the channel bit think of it in a different term but yes there are healers here
FireEagl: Doing good(over coming night of party..and loving wife calling me at 2:38 in the morning to check on me..LOL) ...hard to talk to Pan...*G*..such a strong name......How are you???
Kathulu: BK.....Yes....
FireEagl: search..I denied myself....my abilities..and mission...now I am in head long upward spiral...moving so fast.....*G*...
bk: I'm new to this venue, is there a way to display a running dialogue without hitting refresh?
search (lion): Kathulu. I've known for some time as well. Though, I am primarily a Hermit. Within the past year, Uranus has finally started to see the light of day after being in the dark for my first 38 years. My sense is that my Hermit days are over ... but the transition to being part of a larger community requires creating the community that I would be part of. Interesting task for a Hermit. Hmm...
grunblau: bk-- no must refresh to see the post-- this is not automatic-- keeps us awake LOL
Pan: FireEagle..strong name hmmmmm? I am doing wonderful....
Kathulu: search....as I have reviewed my life...I have come to understand that subconciously I have always known that I had a 'mission' to fullfill...
search (lion): bk: NO, unfortunately refresh is the only way to see new posts.
Starman: Greetings all..Blessed be you all with Love andLight!
Dea: Starman, welcome...Joy and butterflies to you
Kathulu: search...have you been this hermit in the physical sense or in spiritual sense?
search (lion): Interesting Kathulu. That has been true for me as well, but I have met very few others who feel this way.
Longbow: GREETINGS ALL!!!
Pan: I have also always known that I had "something" to do but up until last summer when my guides said ok enough hiding get out there and do it....I had been doing just that.now things are moving so fast I can barely keep up.exciting....
bk: ok, thanks, looking for fellow channel/healers who were born with this ability, who use no "tools" other than ingress and egress of Spirit
Starman: Bk...I´m one of those...*S*
Pan: bk....I do bodywork (am still in training) and use energy forces along with my guides and the one who is seeking healing's guides ......
search (lion): Neither physical nor spiritual. I consider myself a hermit because 95% plus of the time, I am literally in my own world. I've been married for 9 years, and I work as an engineer, interacting with others ... however, I am still very much by myself, regardless of how many people are in the immediate environment.
FireEagl: ....*sigh*...I am lacking focus today(past month..*G*)...I wanted soooo badly to tidy up my page.....I went in started..and...after 30 minutes..was lost in my own words......*sigh*
grunblau: bk--- iam a healer--- am reiki attuned
bk: This is exciting, I've never met another who works as I do. Where are you located, if I may ask?
FireEagl: BRB
Pan: bk.....who are you asking *S*
Starman: BK...I´m in Sweden, Scandinavia.....You???
grunblau: grun is in minneapolis MN
Kathulu: Search.....I know since my major shift experiences in 1987....much review of my past...not only this life but lives before that...have all led up to NOW.....It is most difficult but necessary for one to take responsibility for their actions...whatever they may be.....and I have been no saint.....
Dea: Starman, where do you post from, if I may ask
bk: Sorry, I was asking Star. Be patient, I'll get the hang of this yet!! LOL
Pan: Pan is in Boulder Colorado......Hello Starman......
Starman: Dea...Sweden...Scandinavia.........
bk: I'm in Houston, TX, USA, Star. Where may I e-mail you, Star?
FireEagl: Search...interesting newsletter..I'm gonna check you out later...*S*...
Starman: Pan!!!!....(((((((HUG))))))))))))))ltns!!!!
Dea: Starman, got it, twice now, sorry...I wasn't paying attention. My grandmother came to the US when she was 18. I hear Sweden is beautiful!
Kathulu: Search....as an engineer...you will understand the Mechanics of Life much easier!*smile*
Starman: bk.........Email...starman9@algonet.se......feel free!
Pan: Starman.I was away on my honeymoon *blush* so I haven't been able to ask you how the conference was?
search (lion): Kathulu: I have that same sense as well. Everything that has happened and is happening in my life, and in everyone's life for that matter, is chosen by the Self to enable one's growth in understanding of Self so that we can ultimately know and consciously express Whom That We Are, the I AM, Spirit enfleshed.
Starman: Dea....Indeed it is...especially now ine late may...summer is here,....********S*S*S********
Pan: Kathulu.....are you familar with the Kryon channels....I get the feeling that you are *S*
Dea: Thank you search, I needed to be reminded of that...bless you, dear
Kathulu: Search....have you read the books Unvieled Mysteries and Magic Presence by Guy W. Ballard...or any of Madam Blavatsky's work?
Sea: Greetings to all!!!
Starman: PAN...Congratulations!!!(((((((((GIANTHUG)))))))))).........gathering was great.....soooo much energy!!!
Kathulu: Pan ...I am familar with the name...but I do not know any more than that...please....tell me more....
search (lion): Engineer is but a means of earning a living ... I would label myself a METAPHYSICIAN first and foremost. It is metaphysics that excites and stirs my soul. In this domain, I can exist and express as I AM ... in this domain, I am free to soar as high as consciousness can take me.
Dea: Starman, I must have taken a nap here in Indiana...it seems as though we will go from winter to summer!
Pan: Starman.thank you ((hug)) I knew there would be ...I wish I could have been there.but maybe next time *S*
Kathulu: Greetings Sea! come...sit...and share a thoiught or two! *smile*
grunblau: i am gonna go-- have a fewe errands to run before i get back to my studio
Woman: Greetings from Woman in Ukiah.....
grunblau: {{{kath}}}} see ya here toninght
Starman: Dea.......same here...two days ago we had frost.......today..23 C.......(abt 65F)....*S*
FireEagl: Greetings Sea//Woman......Take care Grun....
grunblau: {{{woman}}}}} {{hugs}}}}
Woman: Grun - Goodbye my brother....
Dea: Bye Grun... Peace go with you, see you next time
Pan: Kathulu.Kryon is channeled by Lee Carroll and brings messages about the changing earth grids and power alignments....and about our new gifts and lessons that come with this as well as messages about the great IAM....and love ah so much love in all of this....alot that an engineer would find fascinating....
search (lion): Kathulu: no, I have read 1000 plus books, primarily related to metaphysics, but not those particular ones. Lately, I've been moved to read Yogananda, Vivikananda, Krishnamurti, and Meher Baba.
Woman: ((((Family)))))
Starman: Pan...I am sure there will be another gathering in august/september.......kind of a feeling...**S*S*S*
grunblau: i walk in with the light and in peace
Pan: Greetings and love to all who have just entered
Kathulu: ((((WOMAN))))my sister!!((((HUGS))))////Search....the reason I say that about being an engineer....is if you read any of the Books of the Saint Germain Foundation, you will have a much fuller understanding than someone who does not have and engineering background...
Kathulu: SCREWED....I do not...
Sea: Kathulu...hello.....so glad swc is back up, I have missed all the friendly faces...
Woman: ((((Kath)))) (((FireEagle)))
Starman: Got to go all.....May you all be blessed with Love and Light!!!!!!!!!.***POOF***
bk: Has anyone studied Caroline Myss, Ph.D., theories?
Kathulu: Seach...please...treat yourself...these two books are only the beginning of another 15 books...and it speaks of what we are speaking about...the I AM...
Kathulu: Love and Light to you Starman!
Dea: Starman, go with angel wings
search (lion): Understand Kathulu. Yes, I do find that the mental techniques and problem solving abilities developed for engineering are very useful in the metaphysical domain as well.
Kathulu: Sea...it has been a long time...if I would have had your E addy I would have sent you the temporary addy for SWC...but I am pleased to see you here once again.
search (lion): That is, provided they are put in their right place, subservient to intuition.
STARX: SEARCH....which Krishnamurti books are you currently reading.....I've been reading his stuff too.....read it a long time ago....and then in the last 2 months have been blown away again by him...
Kathulu: Search....I spoke with an engineer in a restaurant one time a few years back...I was speaking of metaphysics and what I had learned from these books and he was speaking of engineering and we both came to the same understanding that we were in concurrence...and understood each other quite easily...and I no nothing about engineering....
bk: May the Spirit be with you all. Must go about the business of this world. Love and Light
Kathulu: brb....
FireEagl: ...a six pack and a bag of weed G(Danny Boy..House of Pain)....*G*
RedHaze: Hello!!
Pan: Kathulu.....if you have the time I do suggest picking up the first Kryon book....Search..you as well.there is probably alot you would be able tounderstand easier than I with your engineering background.....
Pan: FireEagle...I saw house of Pain of few years ago..whew.what ashow.....*S*.hello to all you just came in.....
RedHaze: The Universe Is Unfolding As It Should......:)
FireEagl: hello RedHaze!!!!!//Woman...man would a killed for some of ya'll to have been here earlier...forced DRTYBRD..to wander around by hisself.....*G*
search (lion): Sorry STARX, I'm bad with titles. Did you see the video on Krishnamurti. I saw it just after my awakening in 1993. I knew what he meant about going Beyond Mind, because I had just experienced it. I found it fascinating that near the end of his life, he said that though he had been teaching for nearly 50 years, he had not found another who had experienced this state of being Beyond Mind. It was not something one could reach via mind or intellectual pursuit ... so he had not been able to convey it to a single one of his many students throughout the world.
RedHaze: Pan:Are you Wiccan?
FireEagl: Pan..Really cool...I love 'em...I think 'tis the Irish in me...LOL...
STARX: WOMAN....last night my honey and I went to see 3 mediums....James Van Pragh, Robert Brown....and Rita Taylor......was really fun...
RedHaze: Hi FireEagl!
search (lion): Indeed RedHaze, the Universe can unfold in no other way. It is always unfolding perfectly HERE and NOW.
Sea: has anyone heard of vassula?
Pan: RedHaze....I really don't call myself anything but I feel strongly connected to Wiccan....you?
FireEagl: RedHaze are you new here or day traveler only?...
STARX: SEARCH.....time to change you name to FOUND.....hehehe....I saw a video about Poojaji in India....and the guy asked him..."I hear you have some final teachings that you have never revealed??""...and Poonjaji said, "Yes....noone is worthy".....same thing Krishnamurti was talking aBOut...
RedHaze: Pan: Yes I am Wiccan! Merry Meet!!:) FireEagl: Well,I guess you could say i'm new here...:)
Kathulu: Pan...thankyou for the information....I will do so....
FireEagl: RedHaze just curious...*smile*..then super cool for you to be here....
search (lion): My usual nick is "lion". I used search for the post for The Search for Center Newsletter.
Pan: RedHaze, I have always been curious why people are Wiccian or Pagean.....do you feel connected to both ..do you feel they are based in the same....I would love to hear your thoughts.....*S* nice to meet you*S*
RedHaze: FireEagl: THanks!
STARX: SEARCH....I read "Freedom From the Known"....last month...and am now reading "The First and Last Freedom".....really great stuff.....can really see how the mind....."grasps after what it wants"...and "runs from what it doesn't want".....constantly....when you see it....life is NEVER the same again...
Kathulu: tis time for me to depart until tonight.....Love and Light to all.....
Pan: Search.are you the one I spoke to a couple of months ago and gave me your e.mail? there are a couple with nicks close to yours.
Kathulu: *foop*
FireEagl: 'til later Kathulu...My love shines upon your path...*S*
Pan: Kathulu.......light and sweetness go with you....
RedHaze: Hi Craig! Pan: I feel they are mostly the same. But you can be so free in Pagan or Wiccan religions,that's just one of the reasons i am WIccan. You can actually be yourself....btw nice to meet you too!!:)
STARX: SEARCH....and it has been amazing to watch people's attachments to their ideas about things....and really defend them as "the truth".....when to experience the truth...we have to come from no mind...no ideas...no thought....
Sea: Kathulu....safe travels....
STARX: KATHULU....maybe see you later.....have a great day!!
search (lion): Yes, except in Krishnamurti's case, I believe he tried valiantly to convey what he experienced to others ... it is just that in fact, they were not ready ... and there was nothing that Krishnamurti could do to make them so. In the video, it was obvious that some of his closest followers and longtime students simply did not GET IT.
FireEagl: I too grow weary.....Not much of the party boy anymore...LOL.....I go to take nap...I hope to see all of you soon...LOve and Light(will return tonight)...The eagle launches from the tree.....dives towards the ground...opens his Massive golden and violet wings...spraying all with the sparks of love leaving them to....IGNITE...........swooooshhh....~~~~GONE~~~~~
Pan: RedHaze.that is a nice part of it..you don't feel forced to be anyone things or prescribe to anyone set of beliefs...I feel connected to soooo many aspects of so much that I have never been anyone of them but I would probably was pagean is the closest...I believe in the appropriatness of all life.*S*
STARX: SEARCH....was talking with a friend last week.....this friend is really aware....has been with them all...Trungpa Rimpoche. Krishnamurti, Poonjaji.....anyway....he said what he has been realizing is that it's not up to HIM to determine the truth.....that the truth is it's own authority....Loved it...
STARX: SEARCH....yes.....have seen that a lot.....a teacher can't share what he knows until the student is ready....and then when the student IS ready....there's nothing left to say.....hehehe....
RedHaze: Pan:I feel that way too:) Do you practice magick?
Pan: Starx & Search...(sorry to jump in ) the truth is always there.constant, fixed.we are the ones that change and are at times able to realize it in truth....
STARX: PAN...yes....feel free to jump in anytime......this is my favorite subject...
Pan: RedHaze....as a very "grown up" (haha..I thought) 15 year old.I did magick...some very bad mistakes.some have taken me years to fix..now I practice life and the magick comes from that.i had to learn that it is always there in me, around me....there.....so in a way yes....I do still do tarot.have had the same deck for 19 years...
search (lion): No Pan. I haven't been to SWC in months. STARX: just over four years ago, I had a realization that thoughts just appeared in my head. I hear them, I am not aware of creating them. I choose how to interpret the thoughts and am free to choose which thoughts I will act on, but I do not experience creating thoughts at all. Once I realized this, much of the background chatter STOPPED! What was left, I was moved to record and eventually post at the Beyond Imagination site.
Pan: Starx. i read a channel once that spoke of this subject..truth...a nice reference was made: that the truth of the burning bush is still the truth today spoken through other channels but the truth is not what has changed just the means by witch we accept it
RedHaze: Cool! So you mean you did black magic? As a Wiccan I only do white magick which brings no harm to others. I do Tarot too! What about Rune stones?
STARX: SEARCH.....that's great!!....I was in satsang with a teacher named Andrew Cohen many years ago.....and all these Buddhists were there.....who had been "practicing" for years...."trying to get rid of their minds".....and Andrew said to them....."your mind is like a bird on your shoulder that keeps chirping....you can't STOP it.....but you don't have to believe it"....
search (lion): Do others experience thinking in this way? My sense is that there is ONE CONSCIOUSNESS that is the source of all thoughts in everyone, without exception.
Pan: RedHaze.sadly yes.but being so young I was easily lead into believing it was good....in away it was because I learned the dark side early so now I can see it easily ..I did the candle ceremonies and all that...now yes it is all for good. I am really interested in Runes but don't know much...I would love to hear. I use the Mythic tarot.you?
search (lion): LOL! Thanks STARX. Indeed, that is exactly how I experience it. :)
STARX: SEARCH....YES...it is not MY mind....it is THE mind.....just like with our suffering....everyone thinks their suffering is "special".....but it is HUMAN SUFFERING....not theirs.....people believe their "special" suffering and mind.....so that they can continue their "story".....and then feel speacil and separate...
RedHaze: Hmm..I use Rider Waite and Arthurian Tarot..One of my best friends Maia uses the Mythic Tarot so i am familiar with it. She is also Wiccan.
STARX: SEARCH....yes....hehehe....that bird is on everyone's shoulder.....it's THE BIRD.....hehehe
search (lion): Pan: The only deck I found I could relate to was the Ryder deck. And then, I tie the 78 cards to numerology to find spiritual meaning.
Pan: RedHaze..where are you posting from?I learned on the Aquarian and Rider decks....
RedHaze: Pan:nyc,u?
Pan: Search.I do the same with numerology....I have always tried other decks.i think my works well for me because after all these years they contain so much of my energy.
Pan: I am in Boulder CO
STARX: SEARCH....that "specialness"...then leads to "fixing"...the past......when there was never a problem in the first place......Another thing I loved that Andrew said was someone asked..."What do you think of the Inner Child?"......and he said ..."Kill it!!".....soooo many people were soooo attached to their childhood suffering....almost in a competition...like I suffered more than you....so therefore...I'm more special...or something......I cracked up....
search (lion): And that seems to be one of the guiding principles underlying the new age that is yet to Dawn ... me gets turned over to become We gets turned over to become ME again, because in reality there is only ONE Consciousness that experiences it all.
STARX: PAN...you're in Boulder???....Usd to live there....Have you ever gone to see Andrew Cohen...or Gangaji???
STARX: SEARCH....yes....this is why your name is old......no more searching necessary....hehehe
Pan: STARX. I agree with you but you must also keep in mind that we all go through things for a reason for lessons so while no one suffers more than another we must also alow them to go through their pain....all things are valid for each person for them....
search (lion): Interesting STARX: I never really related to the Inner Child at all. Then again, as far back as I can remember, I've felt myself to be a wise old man. It didn't matter how old I was in physical terms. My essence was ageless, it came from a place beyond time and space ... or more correctly, before time and space were created.
Pan: Starx....i have only been here for a year..i saw an ad in nexus the other day for Gangaji.there is body and soul conference here in July with Ram Dass, Brian Wiess and many many others..i am really looking forward to it...
STARX: PAN....People are going to go thru their suffering....because of their ignorance.....I don't have a need to allow them or not allow them.....
STARX: PAN....NOTHING from my mind....in terms of "figuring out" my past....or in trying to understand my "pain"....EVER led to any FREEDOM......
STARX: PAN....Boulder has many great resources......you might try to see Gangaji before she takes her year sabattical....if you want to see her....she's taking next year off......really wonderful woman.....
lion: Namaste All! Back as myself ... as STARX said, the SEARCH is over, now there is just the expression of whom that I AM!
STARX: SEARCH....yes.....no beginning and no end....
STARX: LION......yes!!!!.....ROAR LION ROAR!!!
STARX: SEARCH.....OH HECK.....you really missed out on a lot of suffering.....hehehehe....I tried to "fix" my childhood for years!!!......hahaha......what a joke
lion: Indeed! ROAR!!!! My spiritual name is Aslan, though I find "lion" easier to express at this time.
Pan: STARX...I am not sure if I know exactly what you are saying..are you saying that a 5 year old who is being beat should not feel suffering of that we should not carry this suffering around like a badge throught life?
lion: I've always found that the world that is my reality, has never been even close to that of anyone that I encountered. What I considered real and important, mattered not to most. What moved me, others did not even see. What spirit revealed to me, others could not relate to. I had no choice but to be a Hermit. I found no others who existed in the world that was most real to me.
Carling: Hello everyone. I'm new to this chat but it sounds interesting.
RedHaze: brb guys
Pan: Starx....I am not talking about dissecting every moment in life or figuring it out but just living feeling each experience for what it is
RedHaze: Ok...Hi Carling! You're right it is interesting!!:) Welcome! I'm sure you'll love it!!:)
Pan: Starx.I have afeeling you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I never said anything about figuring anything out or anything about most of what you are replying to......if it is ONE why judge what the other ONE does?
STARX: PAN....well....when someone is hit....it hurts....and then it is over....and then our minds attach all this meaning onto what was or is....like it means we aren't worthy....or that we are less than in some way....or whatever........and then the badge gets bigger and bigger....so that we aren't capable of living in the present....because all the accrued meaning....formulates our perceptions of what is......and so we can't see clearly.....and/or act clearly......
lion: It is only in the past few years that I realized that there have indeed been others who have explored the high country that I have found. But, for the most part it is still a wilderness, with few trails. Even then, it seems that at some point, one must leave all trails and make ones own path to the ONE. Each of us is a unique expression of the ONE. It makes sense that there would be no highways leading back to our source. That path must be found within. Thus far, I have found that when I am within, the only separation is between me and the ONE ... there are no others!
Carling: Hi Redhaze...I love this stuff!!
STARX: PAN...so we are saying the same thing....
RedHaze: Carling: :) What do you like to talk about?
lion: Namaste Carling! Welcome.
Pan: STARX..I agree but not all people do that.....I also get upset at those who are 50 and sit and cry on everyones shoulder about the time they were 2 and fell down.....but at the same times the ones who are going through it now could benefit from hearing that this is a moment is the universe. not to shut up...
STARX: PAN...it's not a matter of judging what aomeone is doing......it's more like a seeing of what the "mind" does.....over and over again....
Carling: I have the Rider deck as well as the Mythic tarot deck.
Pan: STARX....yes I think that we are just words tend to get in the way.....I have always used the painful or sad moments in my life to go inside and learn more about my self, my strengths.....
RedHaze: Carling: Great! I have the Rider Waite and the Arthurian deck.
lion: Whenever I feel a connection to spirit, to source, there is always a sense that I am connected to a feminine spiritual essence. I don't know why, but I always experience it as thus. I have no concept or experience with a masculine God energy.
Carling: Redhaze...I love talking about spirituality in general...channeling especially
searcher: hi all:-) L&L
Pan: Starx.....I am one post behind you I think LOL...*S*....yes people who go from one abuse to the next to enlarge the badge ..they allow teh mind to prompt them over and over again without really looking within
STARX: PAN....from my experience most do it.....most have created their "story"....and have built up an ego.....to defend that "story".....and then engage in trying to "fix" the story.......and either they do it an entire lifetime and identify themselves.....or they become exhausted and surrender out of "default".....or they go ahead and surrender NOW.....
RedHaze: Carling:I feel the same way. Have you ever Channeled?
Carling: I just finished reading The Celestine Prophecy and The tenth insight.
RedHaze: wb searcher!! :)
STARX: PAN...sounds like you are rare indeed!!
searcher: hi redhaze!!!
STARX: CARLING......so what was the tenth insight??
lion: Meaning for 4 28 and 5 28, the Emperor, the Two of Wands and The Hierophant; the Two of Wands? These are very prominent numbers for me.
Pan: Welcome to Searcher and Carling...*S* STARX.....in a way it goes back to the disscusion of truth..........and when and how we allow ourselves to see it...........Love to you.....I am happy to be having this discussion with you
RedHaze: Carling :I have yet to read it. I will soon though :) What did you think of it?
Carling: Redhaze...I just started and it is freaky. I've discovered things about myself that I never would have otherwise known.
STARX: PAN....yes...this is my favorite discussion....and I have found it to be rare in the world as well as in this room.....
RedHaze: Carling: Sounds adventurous! I will have to read it! What new things have you learned if you don't mind sharing?
STARX: PAN....even tho I am a pushy broad....and keep going for it!!!....hahaha
Carling: You'd have to read the book to understand. The first book was about the first nine insights. Both were excellent and I can't wait for the next one.
lion: As is 7:56, The Chariot:The 2 of Swords. But this is a variation of 4 28 since 7:56 is 4 to 8:00 is 4 28. For me, the sound takes precedence so to and two are the "same".
Pan: STARX..I was talking with one of my dearest friends the other day and was alittle saddened.we were talking of letting go of Karma..walking through it and she said yes but what about the abusive childhoods we can't let them go inoder to help others.seems she may be agood example of what we are talking about.*S*
Carling: The general idea of both books is that the universe is one body...we're all connected which is something I believed anyway.
Dea: Pan: HAHAHA I am a pushy broad as well seems we make a good team for this topic......hahahaha
RedHaze: Me too Carling.:)
Carling: What is everyones stand on reincarnation?
lion: Namaste Dea! I changed my name from "search" to "lion".
RedHaze: Hi Dea! Welcome!:)
Pan: Hello DEA
Carling: I have seen numerous psychics and they all tell me different past lives. Channeling shows me who I was.
RedHaze: Carling: I believe in it,U?
lion: It makes no sense to "take a stand" on any truth. Reincarnation is ... it matters not whether you believe it or not. You are still subject to it!
Carling: Lion...its just that so many people don't see it that way.
lion: You will continue to experience incarnations until you realize that you are THE ONE, for it is through such incarnations that you can ACT and learn and realize.
STARX: PAN....You would LOVE Gangaji!!!.....she laughs a whole lot.....and this is the discussion.....so you'd really like it....I'm sure.....and you know about your friend???.....it is so wierd because in that perception....one can't see anything.....and so no matter what you say....they can't hear it....
Pan: Lion......you seem to know alot about numerology...I have heard debates about name changes and how that affects your numerolgy.like when a wife takes her husbands name....what do you feel about this?
Carling: Lion...have you come to that realization? What happens afterwards...Do you become an Angel?
RedHaze: i bbl loves! Love & peace & light!
lion: Carling: That doesn't matter. Nearly everything that I currently believe, especially concerning reality and reality creation is far from what "most people" would ever care to imagine. In fact, most consider me to be weird, if not downright CRAZY!
Pan: STARX.......I will try and see her soon....yes about my friend it is so strange because she is so aware about so much but she just can't let go of this one thing and that has put a stopper on all the rest she can get to one point but cant make the jump to the next..
Carling: I just put this chat line in my favourites.
STARX: PAN....it's a real ego trip....and a very tricky one....because then people can attach an idea about themselves....that they are a healer.....not seeing that their own personal agenda of "being a healer".....bonds others as "needing healing"
Carling: Lion...tell me your beliefs.
lion: Carling: of course not, angels are still "separate" incarnation, just with a different form.
Pan: Carling...oh no..now you are going to be as hooked as the rest of us..welcome hahahaha
STARX: PAN.....your friend.....it would be a jump into the unknown.....this way she has it all figured out......you ought to take her to see Gangaji with yuou...
Carling: Lion...what do you think will happen in the millenium?
Pan: STARX.oh yes exactly.she is working at a shelter for abused women and wants me join this crusade..yes I was abused...underline WAS....I don't need to prove myself by continusly bearing the cross.i laid it down many years ago..by the way laughter IS truly a wonderful medicine
Carling: Pan...i'm already hooked...my supervisor just got on the net and told me about this chat...we talk about things like this at work all the time.
lion: Numbers are the primary language through which spirit speaks to me ... but not in the traditional ways of numerology. I've had to uncover my own ways to find the meaning that spirit was unveiling before me. The symbol systems of our world are full of embedded spiritual meaning ... most people are just blind and deaf to it. They don't realize it is there. The spiritual world is HERE and NOW embedded in the physical one that most people experience as reality.
Carling: Pan...i was abused also but never dwell on it...do you think we go through this for a reason?
STARX: PAN.....we all were in some way or another.....
Pan: Carling..i used to work with someone like that...doesn't make work play? where are you posting from?
Carling: I wonder about the idea that we pick the bodies that we enter before birth...
lion: My sense is that name changes do unveil additional insight into what a person has come to express. In my world, all such choices are part of the script that we came to act out. The details have hidden meaning embedded throughout, so that at anytime we can awaken and realize whom that we are.
Pan: Carling...i think everything has a lesson in it if you are willing to look..not just the sorrow but the happiness as well......STARX......I am looking through Nexus now for her ad and saw that there is going to be another retreat this one with Alan Cohen..weren't you talking about him?
STARX: CARLING.....you could come up with a million reasons for why you went thru whatever.....but how could you ever come up with an answer????....how would you decide which reason was the "right" one???....
Carling: Pan...i'm in Sudbury Ontario Canada...and you?
lion: Carling: You'll have to click on my name and enter the world of Beyond Imagination to do justice to whom that I AM and what I believe. It is all there. :)
Carling: Starx...when you find the right reason you just know
Pan: Lion..that is also what I believe but so many have told me ..actually demanded that it does change but I feel that would be as we are you we are...
STARX: PAN......No I was talking about Andrew Cohen.....different fella....used to be Gangaji's teacher.....tho I've read some good books by Alan Cohen......don't remember them tho....hahaha
Pan: Carling..ia m in Boulder Colorado
Carling: Cool page Lion
Pan: Starx.it looks like she will onlybe here through August ...I better get to it then....*S* well if you can't remember then it must not have been that good hahahaha
Carling: Pan...I've been following the JonBenet Ramsey story...anything new?
STARX: CARLING.....my point was that it is a useless waste of energy....because "WHO" really would know when you come up with the "right" reason.....I was trying to point toward how the mind does this ......and that all these questions are completely useless in terms of you being free.....free in the moment of NOW....
Carling: ....
lion: Before we get to the millenium, we have to go through the transition of completing another cycle of 222. The last one was in 1776, it was the completion of the eight cycle, and the start of the ninth. 9 is the number of the Hermit, an expression we shall see begin to take hold once the we reach this completion in 1998. This will be the vibration that brings us into the new millenium. The crossing point is between the 2: High Priestess and the 3: Empress year of the new cycle.
Pan: Carling......ugh.....the family has too much money for the truth to ever get out....It isn't even mentioned here anymore....
Carling: Starx...i am free...
Carling: I hope they eventually find out who did it.
Pan: Lion..I don't know as much about numerology as I would like can you suggest any books?
Carling: Gotta go for now...bbl
lion: Many numerologists are fixed in whatever tradition they learn. I find it better to be free and spontaneous and allow spirit to express through numbers as she will without putting up such arbitrary walls and restrictions as to how to find meaning. Of course name changes mean something, as to the dates and possibly specific times that such name changes occur.
Pan: Carling with the Ok bombing trial here as well all the focus has turned to that for now and the city of Boulder is running out of money ...the Ramseys are not...
lion: The only book I found useful is Numerology and the Divine Triangle by Faith Javane and Dusty Bunker ... especially the part that ties numerology to the Tarot.
STARX: CARLING......it is unfortuante that ANY suffering happens in the world.....however the mind is endless in trying to figure things out....and if you look into it deeply....say you get the "right" reason.....so then what???....are you any freer.....probably when you think you have the "right" reason....then the mind will go ..."well it feels right....but then it may not be right"......what I'm trying to point to is that the mind is all about doubt.....over and over again....and the REASON whatever happened to yuou really doesn't matter.....however unfortunate it may have been....
Pan: Lion.do you do numerology readings? I would be interested
lion: Pan: follow the "lion" and "LION" links from the Beyond Imagination page. It will tell you how to reach me and how I work. :)
Pan: Lion..thank you I will look for it...Starx..kind off the subject abit have you ever read/done the Artist's Way? it has some fun exercises about shutting up the doubt..not real indepth but alot of fun
STARX: CARLING....I speak to you about this coming form MUCH experience in trying to figure everything out......and after years and years and years....I never figured anything out......for example if someone hit me in the face.....would it matter if the reason was because they were angry?....or that they were afraid?....or that they just liked it?.....the fact is they just hit me....and my face hurts....simple
Pan: Lion.I put it on favorites a few moments ago so I could read it later.so I will thank you
STARX: PAN...you know I actually have 2 copies of that book and have never read it....and you are the second or third person who's mentioned it.....maybe it's time to look at it.....hahha
lion: Very good Pan. Beware, you could get lost there for months and never read it all. :)
STARX: PAN...oh well....I guess Carling isn't here anymore.....wouldn't be the first time i'm caught talking to myself.....hahaha
STARX: I have to go feed my boss's critters......maybe be back later...bye all.......hope to see you again PAN...
lion: STARX: I know the feeling. I tried to do community forums for months. Almost every one ended up to be a monologue. LOL! I've been talking to myself voraciously for many years. :)
Pan: Starx......haha....I have tried to finish it 3 times never do but usaly geet further each time....the morning pages through me off.I am not a very routined person and in the book you have to write three pages of flow of conscious each morning......talk to your self go ahead..*S*
Pan: Lion.thanks for the warning.........I think that I will start now.lovet o you all..I hope we meet again soon...Starx...it was wonderful tralking with you...POOF
STARX: PAN....would love to hear about you seeing Gangaji.......would be much fun to share....
STARX: okay......*****poof too****
lion: Namaste All! My niece is bugging me to get out of the house. It is such a nice day ... so I'm off. In Peace, Love and Light, Wayne.